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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/09/17 08:36:23 (permalink)
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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/09/17 08:47:19 (permalink)
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You got it!

I currently have no need for the 32 bit version.  Sonar64 ain't a distant dream anymore, it is now!!!


Congrats, Jose! I'm following close behind. I think this is the release that will do it for me too. I just have to wait for Windows 7, and off I go on yet another attempt at x64 -- hopefully this will be my last "attempt" and be the real thing this time... :)
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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/09/17 15:36:20 (permalink)
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Jose7822


You got it!

I currently have no need for the 32 bit version.  Sonar64 ain't a distant dream anymore, it is now!!!


Congrats, Jose! I'm following close behind. I think this is the release that will do it for me too. I just have to wait for Windows 7, and off I go on yet another attempt at x64 -- hopefully this will be my last "attempt" and be the real thing this time... :)

I hope it is the last time for you too my friend.  I wish you luck!!!
 
Don't forget to report back when you give it a shot to tell us how it went for ya.
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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/09/17 16:01:42 (permalink)
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I hope it is the last time for you too my friend.  I wish you luck!!!
 
Don't forget to report back when you give it a shot to tell us how it went for ya.


Definitely. I'm waiting for Win 7, though, so it will be a little while. I'm not "cool" enough to get Win 7 RTM... ;) If I get impatient, I still have a Vista x64 partition on another DAW, but I don't have the time to try it yet, and there's no way I'll make that the main production machine, knowing that Win 7 is almost here. But yes, when I do install the x64 it will be full-speed ahead, no looking back this time. I hope. :)


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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/09/18 10:51:36 (permalink)
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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/10/16 11:15:01 (permalink)
it's not here just yet but SSL have said they're working hard on 64 bit drivers for their PCI cards and should be available "soon"
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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/10 05:06:21 (permalink)
Ladies and Gentlemen...drum roll...

Omnisphere (v1.1) is now officially a native x64 bit plugin!!!

You can now also load sounds from Trilian into Omnisphere as well! So all three Spectrasonics plugs have x64 native versions now!


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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/10 07:16:22 (permalink)
Yes its so great "cmusicmaker"


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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/10 12:04:47 (permalink)
Finally!!!! Yipee!
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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/10 12:05:09 (permalink)
Nice!

Very good news indeed.  We're so getting there (to 64 bit heaven)!

Thanks for the news Cmusicmaker!



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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/10 17:19:17 (permalink)
Looking for a 64 bit EQ that is similar in features to the Timeworks EQ from SONAR 2.

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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/10 17:44:50 (permalink)
Mod Bod,

Exactly what is it that you're looking for?  I've never used the Timeworks EQ but I have been trying the demo version of Alloy and it is a fantastic all in one plugin.  They have a 10 day full demo version over at Izotope.  Give it a try and see if you like it too.


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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/10 18:26:20 (permalink)
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Looking for a 64 bit EQ that is similar in features to the Timeworks EQ from SONAR 2.

I love the Timeworks EQ.  Does it currently work in the 64 bit environment using bitbridge?
 
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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/10 21:42:14 (permalink)
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Mod Bod


Looking for a 64 bit EQ that is similar in features to the Timeworks EQ from SONAR 2.

I love the Timeworks EQ.  Does it currently work in the 64 bit environment using bitbridge?
 


No.  It's a DX effect.

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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/10 21:43:47 (permalink)
I joined the club partly out of necessity and mostly out of Freddie's ranting and raving about 64 bit... took awhile but everything works and works well.... never going back!!!!!!

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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/10 21:58:11 (permalink)
Thought I might join up too- I just got thru building a Phenom X4 945 on a new Asus board with 8 gigs and using Windows 7 - 64...
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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/10 22:00:42 (permalink)
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kevo


Mod Bod


Looking for a 64 bit EQ that is similar in features to the Timeworks EQ from SONAR 2.

I love the Timeworks EQ.  Does it currently work in the 64 bit environment using bitbridge?
 

No.  It's a DX effect.
Rats!
 
Thanks for the heads-up!
 
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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/11 07:04:58 (permalink)
So close... but no cigar!
 
I am literally a gnats chuff away from moving to 64bit for good - but am held back by one unbeleivably frustrating gotcha: RXP player.
 
All of my other plugs work no problem (with the exception of my beloved Timeworks EQ  - oh well I can find another eq) - but sadly cakewalks own RXP player is not playing ball.
 
Yes - luckily the cakers have ported it over from Dxi to VSTi so we can actually load it via bitbridge in 64bit land - but they have totally overlooked backward compatibilty. Most of my old projects use anything bewteen 5 and 20 instances of the plug,and sadly, Sonar doesnt recognise that RXP DXi and RXP VSTi are one in the same. So, when loading a pre 64bit project with references to RXP Dxi, Sonar frustratingly just tells me I havent got it, and loads a place holder.
 
This would be solved very easily if we had the option to replace plug ins (see my pleas here) instead of being told we dont have them (even though we do), but no doubt this will fall on deaf ears as they are old plug ins.
 
Real shame, as I have to load old projects daily - and so cannot see myself moving to the 64 bit version of Sonar any time soon. 
 
Overall -
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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/11 12:24:16 (permalink)
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Mod Bod,

Exactly what is it that you're looking for?  I've never used the Timeworks EQ but I have been trying the demo version of Alloy and it is a fantastic all in one plugin.  They have a 10 day full demo version over at Izotope.  Give it a try and see if you like it too.


HTH


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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/11 12:25:39 (permalink)
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I joined the club partly out of necessity and mostly out of Freddie's ranting and raving about 64 bit... took awhile but everything works and works well.... never going back!!!!!!

Thanks Freddie!

 
 
Great that it work for you!
You are welcome, Jim!
 
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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/11 13:30:33 (permalink)
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So close... but no cigar!
 
I am literally a gnats chuff away from moving to 64bit for good - but am held back by one unbeleivably frustrating gotcha: RXP player.
 
All of my other plugs work no problem (with the exception of my beloved Timeworks EQ  - oh well I can find another eq) - but sadly cakewalks own RXP player is not playing ball.
 
Yes - luckily the cakers have ported it over from Dxi to VSTi so we can actually load it via bitbridge in 64bit land - but they have totally overlooked backward compatibilty. Most of my old projects use anything bewteen 5 and 20 instances of the plug,and sadly, Sonar doesnt recognise that RXP DXi and RXP VSTi are one in the same. So, when loading a pre 64bit project with references to RXP Dxi, Sonar frustratingly just tells me I havent got it, and loads a place holder.
 
This would be solved very easily if we had the option to replace plug ins (see my pleas here) instead of being told we dont have them (even though we do), but no doubt this will fall on deaf ears as they are old plug ins.
 
Real shame, as I have to load old projects daily - and so cannot see myself moving to the 64 bit version of Sonar any time soon. 
 
Overall -
 
I was just discussing this with a good friend of mine yesterday.  My assumption was that the reason for this was be related to the REX file format not being native 64 bit.  But I believe that you have found the real reason for it.  However, I've never seen that screen you posted there in post#4 (and I've been using the 64 bit version of Sonar for a WHILE now).  That's very interesting.  I've seen the place holder, but that's about it.  I only have maybe an instance or two of the RXP Player in two of my projects, so that could be the reasong why I've never noticed this window.  Also, Guitar Rig 4 shows up just fine as long as you either install the VST version in the Cakewalk/ VstPlugins directory OR you include the default folder where it installs in the Plugin Manager. 
 
I just manually placed the 64 bit version of the RXP Player and loaded the patches I had when I saw the message saying that it wasn't found.  Nonetheless, I agree that this should be fix or a better option should be provided for those who use this plugin more extensively, like yourself.  That is indeed a PITA to have to replace if you use it that much.  Feature request on the way :-)
 
 
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Re: RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/11 13:56:04 (permalink)
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skeewiff


So close... but no cigar!
 
I am literally a gnats chuff away from moving to 64bit for good - but am held back by one unbeleivably frustrating gotcha: RXP player.
 
All of my other plugs work no problem (with the exception of my beloved Timeworks EQ  - oh well I can find another eq) - but sadly cakewalks own RXP player is not playing ball.
 
Yes - luckily the cakers have ported it over from Dxi to VSTi so we can actually load it via bitbridge in 64bit land - but they have totally overlooked backward compatibilty. Most of my old projects use anything bewteen 5 and 20 instances of the plug,and sadly, Sonar doesnt recognise that RXP DXi and RXP VSTi are one in the same. So, when loading a pre 64bit project with references to RXP Dxi, Sonar frustratingly just tells me I havent got it, and loads a place holder.
 
This would be solved very easily if we had the option to replace plug ins (see my pleas here) instead of being told we dont have them (even though we do), but no doubt this will fall on deaf ears as they are old plug ins.
 
Real shame, as I have to load old projects daily - and so cannot see myself moving to the 64 bit version of Sonar any time soon. 
 
Overall -
 
I was just discussing this with a good friend of mine yesterday.  My assumption was that the reason for this was be related to the REX file format not being native 64 bit.  But I believe that you have found the real reason for it.  However, I've never seen that screen you posted there in post#4 (and I've been using the 64 bit version of Sonar for a WHILE now).  That's very interesting.  I've seen the place holder, but that's about it.  I only have maybe an instance or two of the RXP Player in two of my projects, so that could be the reasong why I've never noticed this window.  Also, Guitar Rig 4 shows up just fine as long as you either install the VST version in the Cakewalk/ VstPlugins directory OR you include the default folder where it installs in the Plugin Manager. 
 
I just manually placed the 64 bit version of the RXP Player and loaded the patches I had when I saw the message saying that it wasn't found.  Nonetheless, I agree that this should be fix or a better option should be provided for those who use this plugin more extensively, like yourself.  That is indeed a PITA to have to replace if you use it that much.  Feature request on the way :-)
 
 
Take care!
 
 

Tips! If you need a great 64bit REX-player, no problem!
 
1. Stylus RMX, is in full native 64bit, import all you REX files with the included SAGE converter.
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Re:!!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/11/15 11:09:54 (permalink)
Jose7822 I agree...
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Re:!!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/12/26 08:58:09 (permalink)
Will Perfect space ever be a 64bit plugin?... Its the last essential plugin for me that needs to be updated. 

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Re:!!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/12/26 12:50:38 (permalink)
Thanks PCODE :-)



@ Elffin,

I wonder the same too, especially since Voxengo has ported a good amount of their plugins to native 64 bit already.

I hope we'll see all Cakewalk plugins ported by Sonar 9.  This would also complete my 64 bit system.


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Re:!!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/12/26 13:47:58 (permalink)
Question. Besides the clear benefit of 64 bits what real advantage is there in a 64 bit plugin over its 32 bit counterpart? Obviously not needing Bitbridge is nice but does it really matter? Sonar seems very able to deal with the data stream being of various word lengths and has for years.

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Re:!!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/12/26 15:10:48 (permalink)
John,

I guess just getting the plugin to work in 64 bit is the victory... not so much that the plugin is 64 bits except sample players for obvious reasons.

So, some 32 bit plugs won't run correctly in 64 bit with any bridge. Two important ones come to mind:

1) Altiverb - (I can get it to run but it will CRASH SONAR after a few minutes)
2) Melodyne DNA

I am sure there are more out there that folks need to work in SONAR 64, but these are two of mine that have been put on a shelf until.....

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Re:!!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/12/26 15:21:21 (permalink)
Hey John,

Well, besides the obvious advantages as far as the plugin being able to address more RAM and not being limited to 4GB of it (which is the limit of 32 bit processes even in a 64 bit environment), there's also the advantage of higher precision (in the cases where the plugins does not process at higher than 32 bit internally) and maintaining that precision throughout.  What I mean by that, is that the 64 bit precision in being maintained end to end because the plugin won't output the results of its internal calculations to 32 bit.  Instead, it will maintain the 64 bit code.  This is very important with plugins that use very complex algorithms where high precision in calculations is wanted.

These to me, would be the most significant advantages of using native 64 bit plugins Also the fact that they are working natively and not through a wrapper such as Bitbridge and JBridge will GREATLY improve their stability.


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Re:!!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/12/26 16:01:13 (permalink)
What I mean by that, is that the 64 bit precision in being maintained end to end because the plugin won't output the results of its internal calculations to 32 bit. Instead, it will maintain the 64 bit code. This is very important with plugins that use very complex algorithms where high precision in calculations is wanted.
You have hit what I am asking about. What with not knowing what precision a given plugin is working at can we be sure that it is maintaining a real 64 bit throughput? We know that Sonar will up sample and or raise the bit depth if it receives 32 bit non FP data if the 64 bit audio engine is on but to me that is no guarantee that a plugin is working with that precision even if its a 64 bit plugin. BTW, what happens if the 64 bit audio engine is not on?  Don't get me wrong I like a full 64 bit system. I just have questions. What I am wondering about also is if CW can wrap 32 bit plugins so they work in 64 bit Sonar whats to stop a developer from "pre" wrapping his plugin to appear as if it is native 64 bit?

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Re:!!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!! 2009/12/26 18:01:30 (permalink)
The 64 bit version is certianly greater than the 32 bit version - so Since its "Free", just go ahead an update. You won't be missing anything associated with 32 bit. Why the worries? The worst thing that can happen is that you remain with the capabilities that you currently have.
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