ChristopherM
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/04 03:46:23
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all of it really should be 64bit, or removed. You put your finger on why I had a nagging concern about this thread. If users press this point, my guess is that Cakewalk would achieve compliance by discontinuing older plugs, not by replacing them. Perfect Space and VC-64, for example, were bought in by Cakewalk, so Cakewalk and Voxengo presumably would have to negotiate a 64-bit way forward, assuming that they have a mutual interest in doing so. If they can't reach agreement, the plug-in goes. (Albeit for different reasons, wasn't that what happened to ReValver? Presumably similar issues caused Tassman to disappear from the Sonar complement.) I am not sure that I would like to see these plugs go just to support a wholesale move to 64-bit. On a different tack, it surprised me that VC-64 is not 64-bit, even just going by its name. Even stranger is Beatscape's being confined to 32-bit, given its so recent launch. Why would Cakewalk take this course, given its apparent commitment to 64-bit? Similarly, why make Dim Pro available in 64-bit, but not Dim LE? It makes me wonder what strategy Cakewalk is really following here.
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/04 04:09:53
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It makes me wonder what strategy Cakewalk is really following here. i guess just none  but i do not even wonder about it - that firm makes a great sequencer but behaves weird quite sometimes...
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cmusicmaker
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/04 11:38:48
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ORIGINAL: Jose7822
ORIGINAL: cmusicmaker
NI's new Maschine is also fully 64 bit native based on the info here so I assume other NI products will follow.
[Add Maschine to your list of x64 plugs Jose?]
It doesn't specify that Maschine is an actual 64 bit plugin, only that it has 64 bit drivers for the hardware (which is a different thing).
Good point and thanks for spotting that Jose. After reading your post I could not find any info on the software aspect of it either. NI's site provided no further clarification (AFAICT)...I then thought about "ew". I think he is also a forum member here and very knowledgeable on NI products...even new ones  in any case he told me that Maschine (the software) is also x64 native. Of course you could wait to hear it officially from NI but I think he is one of the mods on their forums and appears to have some inside knowledge on NI products. In any case thankfully Maschine is yet another software option for me on the x64 platform. I was a bit concerned after reading your post that NI may have only offered x64 hardware drivers which would have been very strange indeed.  NI probably should have clearly stated that the software and hardware is X64 native. I assumed both software and hardware were x64 native initially, but I can see how it could lead to some confusion about the softwares compatibility with an X64 OS. ORIGINAL: ChristopherM
On a different tack, it surprised me that VC-64 is not 64-bit, even just going by its name. Even stranger is Beatscape's being confined to 32-bit, given its so recent launch. Why would Cakewalk take this course, given its apparent commitment to 64-bit? Similarly, why make Dim Pro available in 64-bit, but not Dim LE? It makes me wonder what strategy Cakewalk is really following here. This time last year it was not so big a deal as many 3rd party devs hardware and software were not really stepping up to the plate. Everyone seemed to be waiting for everyone else. Now though with big hitters like Motu (BPM), NI (Maschine, Kontakt 3.5, Guitar Rig), Spectrasonics (Trilian, RMX1.7, Omnisphere x64 on the way)...and even Cubase 5 now x64 native, Cakewalk should really update their plugins...Session drummer 2, Beatscape, RXP, VC64 (might be complicated by the lack on info on Kjaerhus for a very long time) e.t.c to full x64 native status. While I would be very surprised after all this time to see Cakewalk lag behind on the x64 platform the strange plugin split x86 Vs. x64 in Sonar at present should be addressed IMO. I think Cakewalk will be very pleased to see more 3rd party x64 support and surely will respond at some point in future. It would be strange if they did not by updating /upgrading their x86 plugs for native use on an x64 OS. I suspect they are as surprised as anyone by the large number of x64 releases and annoucenments at NAMM.
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ew
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/04 11:48:55
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Yes indeed, Maschine is native x64.
ew
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Peter Morrison
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/04 11:57:52
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Great thread Jose, with some fascinating answers. I run both and find Vista 64 although quite stable, is not as stable as my XP Pro set up. They say the that Vista service pack 2 should do the trick. I hope it includes a 64bit version.
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Jose7822
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/04 15:09:21
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Cmusicmaker & EW, Thanks for the confirmation. I will be include it on the list right away  .
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Jose7822
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/04 15:12:39
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ORIGINAL: Peter Morrison
Great thread Jose, with some fascinating answers. I run both and find Vista 64 although quite stable, is not as stable as my XP Pro set up. They say the that Vista service pack 2 should do the trick. I hope it includes a 64bit version.
I have Vista x64 SP2 beta installed on my machine and I can tell you right now that it greatly improves the performance of Sonar64. Can't wait for the full release.
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Freddie H
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/18 06:12:58
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bump PLEASE MAKE THIS STICKY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Freddie H
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/18 06:33:40
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Hi friends! As I was working in the studio with Melodyne 3 Studio (32bit) yesterday, editing vocals, one question come to my mind? I'm using Melodyne in rewire mode and unfortunately, “Rewire†is only available in the 32bit version of Sonar 8. So does anyone know or have any new news about rewire technology going 64bit? Or Melodyne 3 going 64bit? I really don't give a dam about rewire technology as long Melodyne start working in the 64bit environment. I have also notice that Celemony included there stretch technology in the new Cubase 5 with Steinberg that are also now in 64bit. So hopefully Melodyne 3 will be native 64bit very soon too. Hope they come up with a better idea then “Melodyne bridgeâ€, because you are limited to use only 8 or 16 tracks with that or something? 8 or 16 vocal tracks will disappears in a heartbeat when you actually start working. Thanks in advance for any kind of information regarding this matters! Freddie
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/18 09:46:54
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other than the fact that 64 is more than 32, what problem are you trying to solve? Can anyone actually list the advantages of a 64bit system over a 32bit system? What about the disadvantages?
-Dan
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wintaper
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/18 09:49:46
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ORIGINAL: Jose7822
I have Vista x64 SP2 beta installed on my machine and I can tell you right now that it greatly improves the performance of Sonar64. Can't wait for the full release.
Yep - and 32bit Sonar on 32bit XP gives even better performance. and compatibility. Right now - no wait. -Dan
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Freddie H
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/18 16:22:57
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ORIGINAL: wintaper
ORIGINAL: Jose7822
I have Vista x64 SP2 beta installed on my machine and I can tell you right now that it greatly improves the performance of Sonar64. Can't wait for the full release.
Yep - and 32bit Sonar on 32bit XP gives even better performance. and compatibility. Right now - no wait.
-Dan
For me is totally opposite and it should be that same case with you guys! Less CPU in 64bit version of SONAR 8 compared to 32bit version. Matter facts that is actually what's one of benefits with 64bit and 64bit OS! Less CPU when doing work done!
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mlockett
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/18 16:29:17
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Yep - and 32bit Sonar on 32bit XP gives even better performance. and compatibility. Right now - no wait.
Unless you have 3+ GB of samples...
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/18 19:45:16
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Unless you have 3+ GB of samples...
This is a stupid Microsoft OS problem. Other 32-bit systems have no trouble using more than 4GB, using PAE (Physical Address Extensions) on machines that support it, which these days is just about all of them. The problem is not bits or sonar - its microsoft. I've got a 32-bit linux system with 16GB RAM hosting vmware machines and mysql. It has no problem accessing all that memory without 64bits. WINDOWS is the reason you cannot access more than 4GB of RAM. -Dan PS: I'm all for 64bits when its ready, but to read some of the posts around here, you'd think its a magic diet pill or something that will just solve everything.
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Elffin
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/19 05:23:24
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I have a dual boot XP 32bit and Vista 64... and to be frank the 64bit setup whips XP. 64bit computing does have its down points.... But the main purpose of this thread is to highlight to developers that people want and need 64bit native plugins - it is now commercially viable for companies to produce 64bit versions of their products - something they did not see 9 months ago. If 32bit is better than 64bit or vice versa is no longer is a concern for a number of us who have made the decision to work in the 64bit world. What we ask is for better support for our platform.
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Lanceindastudio
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/19 07:02:41
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ORIGINAL: wintaper
ORIGINAL: mlockett
Unless you have 3+ GB of samples...
This is a stupid Microsoft OS problem. Other 32-bit systems have no trouble using more than 4GB, using PAE (Physical Address Extensions) on machines that support it, which these days is just about all of them. The problem is not bits or sonar - its microsoft.
I've got a 32-bit linux system with 16GB RAM hosting vmware machines and mysql. It has no problem accessing all that memory without 64bits. WINDOWS is the reason you cannot access more than 4GB of RAM.
-Dan
PS: I'm all for 64bits when its ready, but to read some of the posts around here, you'd think its a magic diet pill or something that will just solve everything.
Hey an that sound about right. Why would they limit things so much? Go figure that apple didnt limit like that. WTF?
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Jose7822
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/19 10:25:15
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ORIGINAL: Lanceindastudio
ORIGINAL: wintaper
ORIGINAL: mlockett
Unless you have 3+ GB of samples...
This is a stupid Microsoft OS problem. Other 32-bit systems have no trouble using more than 4GB, using PAE (Physical Address Extensions) on machines that support it, which these days is just about all of them. The problem is not bits or sonar - its microsoft.
I've got a 32-bit linux system with 16GB RAM hosting vmware machines and mysql. It has no problem accessing all that memory without 64bits. WINDOWS is the reason you cannot access more than 4GB of RAM.
-Dan
PS: I'm all for 64bits when its ready, but to read some of the posts around here, you'd think its a magic diet pill or something that will just solve everything.
Hey an that sound about right. Why would they limit things so much? Go figure that apple didnt limit like that. WTF?
It's all about money so we HAVE to keep buying the next version. Capitalism I tell ya :-S.
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Freddie H
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/19 16:12:42
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ORIGINAL: Alex Westner [Cakewalk]
ORIGINAL: Freddie H
Hi friends!
As I was working in the studio with Melodyne 3 Studio (32bit) yesterday, editing vocals, one question come to my mind? I'm using Melodyne in rewire mode and unfortunately, “Rewire†is only available in the 32bit version of Sonar 8.
So does anyone know or have any new news about rewire technology going 64bit? Or Melodyne 3 going 64bit? I really don't give a dam about rewire technology as long Melodyne start working in the 64bit environment.
I have also notice that Celemony included there stretch technology in the new Cubase 5 with Steinberg that are also now in 64bit. So hopefully Melodyne 3 will be native 64bit very soon too. Hope they come up with a better idea then “Melodyne bridgeâ€, because you are limited to use only 8 or 16 tracks with that or something? 8 or 16 vocal tracks will disappears in a heartbeat when you actually start working.
Thanks in advance for any kind of information regarding this matters!
Freddie
We're still waiting on Propellerheads, who own ReWire.
Also, Celemony's technology is not included in Cubase 5. Steinberg is using Yamaha technology for pitch & time processing.
I see Alex! Thanks! Best Regards Freddie
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Elffin
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/23 12:30:20
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Pianoteq 3 released........... for 64bit. demo available here.... http://www.pianoteq.com/try
post edited by Edath - 2009/02/23 12:38:56
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/24 01:14:11
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Piantoteq just showed up on this 64 bit search screen I run every so often. Up to 50 from 37 about a month or 2 ago: http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php?mode=results&st=adv&soft=i&type[]=0&f=0&fe=0&win=1&x64=1&com=1&un=1&sf=0&receptor=&de=0&sort=1&rpp=60 (commercial or unreleased X64 only is the criteria I used)
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mungocherry33
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/24 01:16:57
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I'm not sure why, but you have to copy and paste the entire link for it to display the results properly.
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Paul Russell
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/02/24 06:15:53
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As an owner of Pianoteq 2 I got a free upgrade to 3.0 (which is nice) and I just installed the x64 version.
It works very smoothly both standalone and in Sonar x64, and the add-on Rhodes sounds really nice. I think I'll buy that one.
I find Pianoteq's piano sound itself tobe a bit brittle, and nowhere near as rich as the EWQL Pianos or Ivory, but it has its place in certain styles of music.
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cmusicmaker
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/03/05 09:15:20
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More TLC for x64 users....  Synapse recently released an x64 version of Orion but even more recently they added 5 VSTi synths to their list of x64 offerings... "SynthPack Ultimate 64-Bit released
The 64-bit Windows versions of all of Synapse Audio's VST plugins are available now to all registered users, free of charge. The 64-bit editions offer substantial performance gains over the 32-bit editions:
# Toxic (1.4x more performance)
# Hydra (1.7x more performance)
# Scorpion (1.2x more performance)
# Plucked String (1.3x more performance)
# Poly-850 (1.8x more performance)
The measurements have been made using the default patch at maximum polyphony in the 32- and 64-bit editions of Orion.
Supported Hosts
The 64-bit plugin editions have been tested in the following hosts:
# Cubase 5
# Orion 64
# Sonar 64" The synths have clearly been tested with Sonar x64 as well. It has been a very busy 1st quarter so far for x64 announcements and releases. Great.
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Jose7822
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/03/05 10:52:24
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Thanks Cmusicmaker!
They've been added to the list. Yeah it's been a great first half of the year. Hope it keeps up.
Later!
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Keith Albright [Cakewalk]
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/03/05 15:53:22
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It would be nice to have x64 Rex support. Many have been looking for x64 rex.dll for a long time.
It couldn't hurt to ask Propellerheads about it.
Keith
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Jose7822
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/03/05 18:27:44
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Yes it would. As well as those old Cakewalk FX plugins in their 64 bit version ;-)
I'm sure you guys are working on it though :-)
Take care Keith!
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Elffin
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/03/09 12:08:46
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Voxengo beta plugins are updated but still in beta phase.
BTW changed my username to Elffin (originally Edath) to be more consistent across the music forums.
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Freddie H
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/03/16 06:31:16
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BUMP!
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cmusicmaker
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/03/17 06:11:16
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Voxengo have released another slick native x64 plug (x86 as well of course) The return of the excellent Voxformer! Full details here... VOXFORMER 2  Interested in the changes from v.1 to v.2? "Changes in version 2 over version 1:
Smoother compression sound
De-breath gate algorithm
Multi-channel support
Multi-platform support
Wet/dry mix
Mid/side processing
Processing mode editors
Selectable oversampling level
Undo/redo
Routing matrix
Preset manager
User interface coloration
User interface re-scaling
Channel grouping
Plug-in instance naming
Bypass switch" Mentioned before but no harm saying it again...this thread IMO should be a sticky. Many are considering the x64 platform. A thread like this can only help make that decision easier. 2009 IMO is defintely an x64 year.
post edited by cmusicmaker - 2009/03/17 06:13:32
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Freddie H
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RE: !!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!
2009/03/26 07:10:44
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