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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:22:34 (permalink)
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What about this forum? Obviously, the Bakers forum makes no sense, but there's nothing like this community elsewhere in the Windows DAW world. As sad as this announcement makes me, I really hope there's life after death for this forum.
 
Now, what about Tascam? Will my US-16x08 become another doorstop like my PreSonus AudioBox 44VSL?


You're forgetting Gearslutz. This forum as it stands may no longer exist for too long then again life goes on. Like it did for those of us who were part of the Usenet newsgroup that became this forum so many years ago. Change in venue I see coming.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:25:44 (permalink)
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Can we cakewalk users buy it? Can we bring that much money on the table?


Henry's price would be in the millions. What do you think?


I know. but we all have to pay at least $400 now. If we used that to buy out Cakewalk instead of buying a new DAW it could be possible if we get enough along!

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:25:54 (permalink)
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Cakewalk needs to be sold, not closed. Closing down for any amount of time is a death sentence.




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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:26:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2017/11/22 09:52:48
Now I know why the bakers cheaped out on doing a Mac version. They knew the writing was on the wall well over a year ago so they just used cheap-assed translation s/w instead of doing real coding. I  really would have liked to have had a true Mac version but alas was never to be.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:28:12 (permalink)
I Hope Magix Software buy it out. They got Sound Forge and Vegas now. Bouth work great!

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:30:19 (permalink)
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I Hope Magix Software buy it out. They got Sound Forge and Vegas now. Bouth work great!




I'm sorry, I am SO disappointed in the new Vegas.  I have nothing but trouble with it now.  Never had problems when Sony owned it.  Now it freezes if I look at it funny.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:30:50 (permalink)
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I Hope Magix Software buy it out. They got Sound Forge and Vegas now. Bouth work great!

They also have Samplitude, so don’t hold your breath.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:36:02 (permalink)
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I Hope Magix Software buy it out. They got Sound Forge and Vegas now. Bouth work great!




I'm sorry, I am SO disappointed in the new Vegas.  I have nothing but trouble with it now.  Never had problems when Sony owned it.  Now it freezes if I look at it funny.


Exactly.
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:38:45 (permalink)
Well that made up my mind. Was thinking of getting a Gibson SG, but that's not happening now. I also purchased the Platinum a year ago after using cakewalk for quite a few years. This is very upsetting. 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:45:28 (permalink)
 
Moving to a new DAW is one thing.
 
But long term, am I right in assuming that we won't be able to take and use any 'built in' features - specifically the Pro-Channel modules - to another platform?
 
If there is no VST version available, is there any way to do this, or will they die inside Sonar when it eventually stops working on whatever version of Windows doesn't support it?
 
I bought fairly heavily into the Pro-Channel stuff, and I can't imagine a mix without the wonderful Concrete Limiter being in there.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:49:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Keni 2017/11/22 05:00:33
Many, many years ago when I was running Cakewalk on Windows 3.1, I went to a demo of Opcode StudioVision Pro.  That product was light-years ahead in capability of anything on the market.  I came away from the demo completely stunned.  Sometime after that time, Gibson acquired the product and dumped the most innovative DAW I had ever seen.  Gibson is now doing the same with Cakewalk.  If you search the history of Gibson, there is a trail of train-wrecks of great products being destroyed by this company and many very talented people being cast upon the scrapheap.
 
I will never buy anything Gibson has an association with ever again.  I only stayed with Cakewalk because I was a loyal TwelveTone/Cakewalk user.  Gibson should have done better by our beloved bakers.  I spent 10 years as a CW beta tester between Pro Audio and Sonar.  We testers worked our butts off, but we wanted to, because the attitude of the bakers was fantastic.  I grew to deeply respect both Ron Kuper and Noel Borthwick and all the super dedicated bakers.  I feel like 25 years of my life are going down the drain - what a strange feeling!
 
Very, very sad day.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:52:35 (permalink)
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Is this a classic case of the Big Corporation agenda won out over the free-thinking smaller guy, I wonder?




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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:52:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ttoz 2017/12/19 09:07:24
Say...
since they are shutting down, is there  any reason why CW wouldn't just update anyone who wanted it to the latest version before fading away? What's any potential harm in that?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:53:20 (permalink)
That's disappointing.  I guess the lifetime updates were less of a bargain than it originally appeared.  I might have to do more experimentation with Harrison Mixbus.  I've been using Cakewalk software since 2000 and it's a shame to have to change.  I've really enjoyed Splat.
 

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:55:39 (permalink)
This is indeed really very sad news and my heart goes out to the many dedicated Cakewalk employees who are affected by this announcement. Like many others, I too first started using Cakewalk in the 90s on Windows 3.1. It helped define what computer music is today.
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:55:57 (permalink)
Wow! I guess I'm moving to Studio One Pro too!
 
Very sad day for me, but my heart goes out to all the employees at Cakewalk. Good luck and God bless.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:56:40 (permalink)
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Been with you since 1992 how sad, lets hope someone will see the good in the software and rejuvenate it with a new owner.




H*** yeah!!!

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:56:54 (permalink)
Couldn't they just change the authorization process as a farewell gift to users so that it's not dependent on their servers? Something similar to Sonar 8.5's authorization?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 00:59:13 (permalink)
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Been with you since 1992 how sad, lets hope someone will see the good in the software and rejuvenate it with a new owner.




H*** yeah!!!




If Gibson won't sell it, there's no chance of that, and it's exactly what they done with Slingerland to name just one

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 01:01:10 (permalink)
On importing: my previous post was about midi. Anyone who has midi projects should take the time time to export them in midi0 and/or midi1 formats, so they can be imported into another program. You will get the notes and CC events, but not all the synth settings. I did that awhile back, when I started working with Reaper. Unless you painstakingly copy down every last setting, as someone suggested, you will have to reconstruct all that. Or you can try to reconstruct it from memory. Another way would be to have both programs opem, with two monitors, and then put in everything right from the values you see in Sonar. I would also export in XML. I can't do it because 8.5 doesn't have it.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 01:01:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SiberianKhatru59 2017/11/22 17:41:23
Sounds like Gibson probably didn't have any business buying Cakewalk to begin with... :-(
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 01:01:40 (permalink)
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Now I know why the bakers cheaped out on doing a Mac version. They knew the writing was on the wall well over a year ago so they just used cheap-assed translation s/w instead of doing real coding. I  really would have liked to have had a true Mac version but alas was never to be.



smart money for any maker is to NOT do it.. look at other things that were mac only before (digital performer).  most mac owners have logic or some version of it.
 
it's a bit like the episode of the simpsons where homer gets free reign to make a new car.. and bankrupts the guy.
 
Noel will tell you, the cost and dev support costs are the main thing with software..
 
so yer it's all good saying for a company to buy out a product.. but even a company with rolands resources it wasn't so great either.
 
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 01:04:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby happyrat1 2017/11/22 02:14:44
I feel a need to chime in as well. Cakewalk has been my only real project to project working DAW for about 25 years. I still have and use midi archives from the late 80's - early 90's. I ported over from Texture and I'm amazed at the continuity of this software from the early days of commercial audio software. Noel you and the whole team have done great work and we all hope it gets passed on to a worthy owner. However things pan out - it's been a very nice ride and thank you.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 01:05:06 (permalink)
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I Hope Magix Software buy it out. They got Sound Forge and Vegas now. Bouth work great!


Magix is not a real company. They just buy already mature software, put a new version number on it, and market it as if there are actual developers behind it.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 01:08:18 (permalink)
 
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 01:08:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/11/22 01:21:33
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Moving to a new DAW is one thing.
 
But long term, am I right in assuming that we won't be able to take and use any 'built in' features - specifically the Pro-Channel modules - to another platform?
 
If there is no VST version available, is there any way to do this, or will they die inside Sonar when it eventually stops working on whatever version of Windows doesn't support it?
 
I bought fairly heavily into the Pro-Channel stuff, and I can't imagine a mix without the wonderful Concrete Limiter being in there.
 

 
Steve, I think we are asking a question along the same lines that is. The problem with having to migrate to another DAW from Sonar/Cakewalk software is that many of the VST/VSTI's  are hard coded to only work with Sonar/Cakewalk software. I was really liking the Adaptive Limiter VST that Cakewalk recently came out with, but it will only work in Sonar. 
 
For those WHO PURCHASED the software should have that restriction removed at the very least IN MY OPINION because they PAID FOR IT'S USAGE and considering the update process. 
 
Either way, Steve, these forums may fade away soon. I just wanted to say Thank you for all your helpful information over the years. I was a real A-Hole at time with an ego, I had no idea what I was doing in the realm of digital recording and playing music for that matter! 
 
A lot of the helpful information that you said to me, while I didn't get it at the time, I get it now and the music I am making is beyond what I ever thought I could be capable of doing it all on my own. "Well, not my vocals", but I just wanted to say Thanks for taking the time you did and I hope that my works in the future make you proud because your knowledge teaching me how to record were a big part of all of it!!!!! 
 
It means a lot!!!!!!!! I know I've had personal craziness in the past, but a lot of that had to do with the fact the my ex at the time was creating fake accounts to just talk BS at me and I could not trust anyone at the time, so I was a bit of an A-HOLE at time, I apologize to you and everyone else for those times. Those days are over thank god! 
 
Either way, I just wanted to say Thank you! Your presence on these forums and your helpful information on how to record guitar have helped me more than you may ever know! Thank you for taking the TIME!
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 01:13:25 (permalink)
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Say...
since they are shutting down, is there  any reason why CW wouldn't just update anyone who wanted it to the latest version before fading away? What's any potential harm in that?


Based on the timing of their "lifetime" subscription offer (a year before throwing in the towel), I'd say don't hold your breath.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 01:14:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Resonant Serpent 2017/11/22 05:33:30
I know that profanity and violent language are not permitted in this forum.
So I will just leave this here to express my thoughts today:
 


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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 01:17:47 (permalink)
SteveStrummerUK
 
Moving to a new DAW is one thing.
 
But long term, am I right in assuming that we won't be able to take and use any 'built in' features - specifically the Pro-Channel modules - to another platform?
 
If there is no VST version available, is there any way to do this, or will they die inside Sonar when it eventually stops working on whatever version of Windows doesn't support it?
 
I bought fairly heavily into the Pro-Channel stuff, and I can't imagine a mix without the wonderful Concrete Limiter being in there.
 
 
 
 


I really miss concrete when working outside of sonar.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 01:22:41 (permalink)
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Jarsve
Can we cakewalk users buy it? Can we bring that much money on the table?


Henry's price would be in the millions. What do you think?


I know. but we all have to pay at least $400 now. If we used that to buy out Cakewalk instead of buying a new DAW it could be possible if we get enough along!


Øyvind, I am afraid you missed something important... Let's say we all will be able to collect enough money to buy Cakewalk from Gibson... And what then? What about money needed to keep Sonar devel & support going?

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