murphmusik
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 15:44:59
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This is crazy news. Gibson as a company, is appalling. To shut down one of the best DAWs out there is insane.
I am really, really hoping that someone else picks it up, considering the thousands and thousands of loyal users that exist.
Shame on you Gibson.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 15:51:38
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aidanodr
MS is not interested in the audio world - it's too small potatoes in comparison to the home use and business use world which is what they have the market in.
My view on this would be different. MS is pushing subscription cloud based software plans for a while now .. ie OFFICE 365. Surely CAKEWALK fits in with this due to its subscription payment thing of recent times?
Cakewalk doesn't, and has never had a subscription payment thing.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 15:53:25
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☄ Helpfulby rspagnuolo 2017/11/25 00:49:45
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35mm
It's like a death in the family!
No, it really isn't. Only someone who is emotionally _________ would actually say or believe that. Reality check: A software product you've enjoyed using extensively over a long period of time will no longer be updated. Deal with it. Try googling: Grief counselors for discontinued computer applications re Opcode Vision et al
So a guy with an avatar of Keith Emerson cannot be empathetic to those of us who have invested so much time and money into this tool? You must be the CEO of Gibson. I have projects in Sonar that are unfinished and ones that I revisit and update over the years. Now it's possible I won't be able to access those projects if Sonar no longer functions after some future Windows upgrade. Plus all of the tools that's I've spent countless hours learning to use that won't function in some other tool I'll have to use to replace Sonar. This is all pretty devastating to me.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 15:56:25
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SONAR can do Projects with up to 400 GB of tapes and vinyl. Recordlength up to 80 hours.
And then splitting 80 hours of tapes into thousends of clips.
SONAR has a very fast handling to split thousends of clips and zoom them in and out with the mousewheel. Also it's very easy to apply the effects to the clips and mark them as "done".
I checked other DAWs the last years, they do this very slower and uncomfortable.
At the moment I try to check Studio One. But at the moment I don't see the possibility to render an effect to its own clip. Even scrolling through hours of audio is not so comfortable. Even zooming in Studio One is not so good, because you can not change the zoom-factor.
The next point is: We need to change 14 computers.
And even if I turn of internet SONAR needs to re-authorize after dynamik changing the IP-Adress in the network.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 15:56:37
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Karyn
aidanodr
MS is not interested in the audio world - it's too small potatoes in comparison to the home use and business use world which is what they have the market in.
My view on this would be different. MS is pushing subscription cloud based software plans for a while now .. ie OFFICE 365. Surely CAKEWALK fits in with this due to its subscription payment thing of recent times?
Cakewalk doesn't, and has never had a subscription payment thing.
True .. sorry .. my bad. I meant at least something similar in that option to pay monthly/yearly rather than outright. At least a tad closer than other software out there?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 16:06:02
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My only issue with someone taking over Sonar is the licensing. Over the years I spent more time using other DAWs. What I loved about Sonar is the authorization. They always had an "I trust you" attitude towards the end user. I've always supported them based on this. I have SPLAT installed on all of my systems. I doubt this flexible licensing would exist under Microsoft. As with my Sony products they are on 2 machines. When Magix decides to have a 2 machine authorization I will buy their licenses.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 16:13:22
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Thank Cakewalk staff team for best Software I will miss you
sorry about my english I am thai peoples
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aidanodr
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 16:18:07
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kitekrazy1
My only issue with someone taking over Sonar is the licensing. Over the years I spent more time using other DAWs. What I loved about Sonar is the authorization. They always had an "I trust you" attitude towards the end user. I've always supported them based on this. I have SPLAT installed on all of my systems. I doubt this flexible licensing would exist under Microsoft. As with my Sony products they are on 2 machines. When Magix decides to have a 2 machine authorization I will buy their licenses. Office 365 Home .. you can install on up to 5 separate computers. And no I am not a huge MS fanboy .. I just install it lots as I have my own small IT and Web company
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 16:25:28
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I feel like the money I spent on a 12 month license last weekend was essentially planting a dying tree on my front lawn.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 16:31:59
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35mm
I only just heard. It's like a death in the family! Don't really know what to say that hasn't been said already. Such ****e news! I don't know what the chances are of Cakewalk living on and Sonar continuing to have a happy future. I guess that's all we can hope for at the moment until there is more info. I won't be switching to a new DAW just yet.
In case this forum suddenly disappears, thank you so much Cakewalk. I have used your software for many years and loved it dearly. I hope the bakers can keep baking. Gibson, screw you!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 16:33:51
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☄ Helpfulby joel77 2017/11/24 03:39:03
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While I do not know the fate of SONAR or what Gibson’s plans are for Cakewalk, I can assure all the current Cakewalkers that their future is bright. ... Acoustica is committed to making Mixcraft a DAW that SONAR users will want to seriously consider adopting. Thanks,Anthony
@Anthony Appreciate the comment, not familiar with Mixcraft, but trust you realize what you might be taking on. The bar has been raised pretty high for a certain class of users. Features, workflow and highly usable SONAR exclusive components will invite direct comparison. I'm looking into compiling a comprehensive feature by feature comparison for possible alternatives and will make a point to consider Mixcraft.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 16:38:58
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@Anthony
Appreciate the comment, not familiar with Mixcraft, but trust you realize what you might be taking on. The bar has been raised pretty high for a certain class of users. Features, workflow and highly usable SONAR exclusive components will invite direct comparison.
I'm looking into compiling a comprehensive feature by feature comparison for possible alternatives and will make a point to consider Mixcraft.
I added this here in another thread JW:We are spoiled with Sonar and such a high bar I think, right down to the UI. I tried MIXCRAFT for a while just to see, loading VSTs is not as intuitive to me as it is in Sonar. UI a bit "older" looking I reckon Sonar will be hard to replace for me :( .. As I said elsehere .. I will wait and see where Sonar goes, I think it is not dead, its too good to be dead / not snapped up ... in my opinion! And i love PROCHANNEL & the whole UI layout, Skylight interface
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 16:45:38
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☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass 2017/11/23 00:09:51
Sorry to hear this. Good luck, guys - I hope you'll find a solution to continue with Sonar!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 16:46:04
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Very sad to hear the news. Sonar has always been something special. One of those rare cases where a relatively large company (at least as far as the DAW world goes) has been able to consistently make the user feel special and privileged, that is why word of mouth from Sonar users has always been Cakewalks best advertising tool.
I really hope Gibson finds the logic in selling Sonar rather than just putting it into hibernation mode. (Pun intended!)
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 16:46:05
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Russ.15
Crap. Just... Crap.
I've been ordering parts as Black Friday specials come around for a new PC build to run SPLAT on. But this has taken the wind out of my sails. I'm really depressed by this announcement. I've been using Cakewalk since the mid-90's, and none of the other DAWs feel right to me. Obviously, I'm going to put off moving to another DAW for as long as possible. And when it does finally break? I don't even want to think about it.
I would not worry about it breaking any time soon. I can still open Studio 8.5 and do a project with no problem on Windows 10.
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HAMERMAN409
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 16:46:46
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Actually now that I say that it occurs to me that Gibson should sell Cakewalk to Microsoft!
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jackson white
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 16:47:16
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An Unmarked Place
Microsoft have an image problem they're desperately trying to shake: they don't want to be the staid manufacturer of computers your boss makes you use, they want to be the preferred option for creatives.
Mobile is pretty cool too and clearly a massive market. MS hasn't fared very well on this front despite massive investment. Anybody recall how the Nokia acquisition turned out? ... Getting picked up by a small dedicated dev company sounds good too, but expect it will take serious $ to get Gibson's attention based on their track record.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 16:47:33
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☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass 2017/11/23 00:11:03
To you new ones. I just bought Studio One. It uses VST and almost all VSTs from Cakewalk works on it.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 16:55:13
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Jarsve
To you new ones. I just bought Studio One. It uses VST and almost all VSTs from Cakewalk works on it.
I'm checking it out now. Adaptive Limiter seems to not work here. Any others?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 17:01:07
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Hey mods : Why was my post deleted?
Impossible to say unless you say which post you mean. Spam filter over active as usual...
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 17:02:41
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kitekrazy1
My only issue with someone taking over Sonar is the licensing. Over the years I spent more time using other DAWs. What I loved about Sonar is the authorization. They always had an "I trust you" attitude towards the end user. I've always supported them based on this. I have SPLAT installed on all of my systems. I doubt this flexible licensing would exist under Microsoft. As with my Sony products they are on 2 machines. When Magix decides to have a 2 machine authorization I will buy their licenses.
the trust model don't work, that simple.. sure makers expect you to maybe have a "funny" version for a year or 2, but they do expect you to say.. "i like doing this.. I'll buy into it" . hence why DAW makers are so keen to go after students. sure you can do the "stack it high, sell it cheap" model reaper does, but that also affects dev costs. if you had a a dev company, would you put it down to trust ? I wouldn't .. as I know we are in an era moreso than ever where people are "what, I have to pay for this ?" . same with albums etc. and look at how low cost they are compared. I'm not a fan of elicenser / ilok.. but I've got great software that I can only get by using them.. and I know that my payment is going to help devs.. not those wanting a free ride for 6+ years.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 17:14:53
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THambrecht
SONAR can do Projects with up to 400 GB of tapes and vinyl. Recordlength up to 80 hours.
And then splitting 80 hours of tapes into thousends of clips.
SONAR has a very fast handling to split thousends of clips and zoom them in and out with the mousewheel. Also it's very easy to apply the effects to the clips and mark them as "done".
I checked other DAWs the last years, they do this very slower and uncomfortable.
At the moment I try to check Studio One. But at the moment I don't see the possibility to render an effect to its own clip. Even scrolling through hours of audio is not so comfortable. Even zooming in Studio One is not so good, because you can not change the zoom-factor.
The next point is: We need to change 14 computers.
And even if I turn of internet SONAR needs to re-authorize after dynamik changing the IP-Adress in the network.
Have you looked at WaveLab? There's a trial version available. https://www.steinberg.net/en/products/steinberg_trial_versions.html
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 17:21:40
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Wow...First Malcolm Young then Mel Tillis, Charles Manson, David Cassidy, and now Sonar.
It's been a bad week all around.
R.I.P guys...except for you Charlie. Hope you rot in hell with Hitler and Bin Laden.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 17:22:28
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Wow!!! This is incredibly sad and shocking news. I been a Cakewalk user since the days of Professional Audio 8 and upgraded with each version of SONAR through the years. Although I bought Studio One 3 last year, this has always been my go to DAW. At least I know it's time to get up to speed on Studio One 3 as I am with SONAR but I'm still going to ride this software until the wheels fall off.
Who knows, maybe Softube will jump and buy Cakewalk since they have been integrating their hardware (Console 1) with SONAR.
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Velocemusic.com
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 17:25:01
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WTH.......... Just when I feel comfortable using the Matrix and Theme Editor.. Gone and pull the rug...
Using Studio One at the same time.... but Sonar is where I have fun. Man, this is hard to deal with.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 17:29:58
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It would be SUPER sweet if Microsoft picked them up on the cheaps. This could really step up their "we're super creative" image.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 17:41:41
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Personally I doubt whether Gibson will still be around this time next year.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 17:43:17
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THambrecht
SONAR can do Projects with up to 400 GB of tapes and vinyl. Recordlength up to 80 hours.
And then splitting 80 hours of tapes into thousends of clips.
SONAR has a very fast handling to split thousends of clips and zoom them in and out with the mousewheel. Also it's very easy to apply the effects to the clips and mark them as "done".
I checked other DAWs the last years, they do this very slower and uncomfortable.
At the moment I try to check Studio One. But at the moment I don't see the possibility to render an effect to its own clip. Even scrolling through hours of audio is not so comfortable. Even zooming in Studio One is not so good, because you can not change the zoom-factor.
The next point is: We need to change 14 computers.
And even if I turn of internet SONAR needs to re-authorize after dynamik changing the IP-Adress in the network.
Have you looked at WaveLab? There's a trial version available.
https://www.steinberg.net/en/products/steinberg_trial_versions.html
I own Wavelab Pro and Adobe Edition. Both are great editors, but their workflow is a lot slower then SONAR. We know companies that make the same work. And they ask me how we can work so fast - because they work with ProTools, Samplitude, WaveLabe or Adobe. At the moment I check Studio One. It has a great MacroEditor and a very good management to name clips. Splitting clips is very fast. But it is not possible to render an effect to a single clip. Only for the whole track. That is a problem. Because I need to render for example an equalizer with different settings to different clips. And normalisation is only possible to 0dB. That is also a problem.
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NW Smith
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 17:44:33
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Long time user - going back to a Cakewalk "studio" version that came with a Soundblaster sound card and continuing today with Platinum with Lifetime Updates. (I got suckered too.) It's been a while since I posted on this forum, but upon hearing the news, I am heartbroken.
I feel badly for the dedicated people who work for Cakewalk, and more importantly, my fellow Sonar users. I feel anger towards Gibson, whose record of running good businesses into the ground, continues. If they treat their customers this way, I could only imagine how badly thy treat their employees. While I do own a vintage Gibson Guitar, (Made in Kalamazoo), I will never buy from them again.
I have invested so much of my sweat and time into writing and recording music with Cakewalk software. At the moment, it's unthinkable about migrating to something new. I suspect, I probably disconnect my DAW from the Internet and use the program for as long as possible.
Hang in there everybody and keep making music!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 17:45:56
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
A dedicated team has been established during this transition period to continue to serve the Cakewalk community. Monthly updates to SONAR from Cakewalk will however cease during this time. We will continue to post notifications to keep you informed with any relevant developments. A sincere thank you to everyone in the Cakewalk community.
Sincerely,
Noel Borthwick,
CTO, Cakewalk
http://www.cakewalk.com/announcement
The only reading that has been of interest ...in bold. Time will explain both to me. Whatever is going on I wish the Cakewalk employees the best. I've had over a decade of benefitting from their talents and help when I needed it. They may want to reflect on when Gibson dumped on the folks in Michigan...they just starting making the guitars they use to make for Gibson. That worked out very good for them...there are bright sides.
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