almeister
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 22:36:37
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Wow,.....just effin wow. I've been using Cakewalk since the early 90's. Didn't see this coming but I guess that firing Craig should have been a clue that something was up. The loss money spent on the "lifetime" updates is a bit annoying too. Gibson will have to make something outta this world in order for me to buy another product from them. On another note, thanks to all the Cakewalk employees for their great service over the years and also thanks to everyone who has made this forum such a great learning tool. Hope it stays up a while longer. Now, guess I'm off to learning how to use Studio One 3.5 better. Best regards to all, Al
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 22:42:25
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Ron2112 Yeesh. You should have read the whole thread. Sounds like monthly subscribers are getting converted into "lifetime" accounts, with full functionality unlocked. Cakewalk is apparently doing the right thing. You guys panicking is not helping things at all. Never seen more misinformation spread as I have in the last couple days.
Into a vacuum of no or little info comes a space for panic and misinformation. And will continue so until sense prevails and the customers are informed properly as surely is there right? The vacuum is being left there .. not by the customer but by the vendor and surely its up to the latter to correct this as soon as possible?? OR at minimum KEEP the customer informed regularly, even if its just to say we are dealing with this and will keep you posted? This PARTICULARLY with a product that many are paying for monthly ONGOING .. As you stated - "You should have read the whole thread" - I assume you are talking about a thread / post over at Facebook? If such info about " Sounds like monthly subscribers are getting converted into "lifetime" accounts, with full functionality unlocked." is published as a reply to a post on Facebook somewhere BY a Cakewalk or Gibson staff member then why not update the forums here and the website with the same info? You said sounds like, so not definite? For the record .. Im not "bailing" .. still lots of life in SPLAT yet once we get some sort of OFFLINE ACTIVATION. AND I do believe it will get bought out at some point ..
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Jari
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 22:42:51
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"Sonar now boasts a powerful new line up designed to meet the needs of any musician, regardless of skill level or budget. You always get the latest and greatest version no matter when you make your purchase. In addition, enjoy 12 months of rolling updates and keep everything you received - forever." I enjoyed about 17 months - that's 5 months more than they promised. And I'll keep SPLAT on my desktop 'til my SDD drops dead.
I guess its time to choose a new DAW and bounce all my current projects' audio files, just in case. Thanks, Cakewalk. I recorded and mixed some very nice albums on Sonar (7 to Platinum).
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 22:44:19
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☄ Helpfulby paul jenkins 2017/11/23 01:56:14
I would just like to say thanks for all the hard work and dedication of Cakewalk staff over the last couple of years. You achieved great things and I really appreciate the direction you drove Sonar in, it's one of the most flexible and stable DAW's because of your vision. Thank you!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 23:00:31
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So until today when I opened Sonar it would tell me that I needed to renew my membership or it will go in to Demo Mode. Today it was in 10 days.. I didn't renew though yet as I'm not sure what to do after what is happening. But now I open Sonar and it doesn't prompt me to renew the subscription.. If I go to cakewalk store to try to renew it shows the site is down. Now.. I go in to Help>About and it shows that it is valid until 6/15/2018.. So that is my deadline to find another DAW if nothing else positive happens with Cakewalk?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 23:03:45
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If you have completed either a 1 time payment or a 12 month payment cycle SONAR will continue to work into the future until OS/Hardware compatibility or whatever hits you and causes SONAR not to function correctly, you will be at the version that corresponds to your last full payment cycle.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 23:04:48
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☄ Helpfulby SuperG 2017/11/24 01:17:11
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I can't really "recommend" anything, recording software programs are all so different and making music is so personal. Ableton Live is a great program, but it's not sonar. Actually, none of them are sonar. Pro Tools for me is a non-starter, but there are plenty of excellent programs. Samplitude is very deep, but Windows only and this time around, I want something cross platform. Acoustica Mixcraft is also a fine and cost-effective program, with very good video capabilities; it has a demo you can download. Cubase has very deep midi and staff view.
I am seriously looking at Studio One Pro for several reasons. One is the mastering page and being able to do projects, export to duplication, do analytics, etc. I've been using this in parallel with Sonarbfro years. I don't find the song writing process as fluid or complete as sonar, but I will be learning it because it can also do some things that sonar can't do. Reason is a dark horse in all this; it has really matured over the years and is ideal for certain types of users. So really what you need to do is download demos, spend some time, and find out what has the best chemistry for you. For me, that's Studio One Pro for the studio, and Ableton Live for live. But you aren't me and I'm not you so you have to find the program that really works for you. I will definitely miss sonar, big time, but that's the way it goes. Thanks again to a wonderful Community, you haven't just supported Cakewalk, you've supported my efforts as well.
I can highly recommend Ableton Live for Live performance, and I really like Studio One 3 Pro. Both are capable programs, but I'm surprised you didn't mention Cubase. I never really gave Steinberg a chance because of the dongle, but two years ago, I did, and I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised. Cubase 9.5 Pro is by far my favorite DAW now when it comes to mixing. There's definitely some things that Sonar has that it doesn't, but for me personally, it has everything that I need.
Actually I did mention Cubase for the "very deep MIDI and staff view." Besides, they still have my Quadrafuzz in there, which they brought up to V 2 with my blessing...I always appreciated that, and they did a fine job on the update. My point is there are a lot of great DAWs out there, but they all excel at different things. So it's important to choose one that excels at what you need. The reason SONAR served as my primary DAW since 2000 was because it was versatile enough to handle anything I threw at it - that's what made it excel at what I need.
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Scott Reams
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 23:08:13
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☄ Helpfulby 35mm 2017/11/23 00:42:44
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dopderbeck I'm a lawyer. I think there could be a basis for a class action.
I'm a Psychiatrist. I think there could be a good chance you're delusional.
I wouldn't be sure about that. If it could be shown that Gibson knew it would be shutting down Cakewalk before it instituted it's lifetime updates policy, there would be excellent cause for a lawsuit.
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Scott Reams
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 23:13:17
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Ron2112 Yeesh. You should have read the whole thread. Sounds like monthly subscribers are getting converted into "lifetime" accounts, with full functionality unlocked. Cakewalk is apparently doing the right thing. You guys panicking is not helping things at all. Never seen more misinformation spread as I have in the last couple days.
It isn't that simple. Many people paid quite a bit more for a lifetime subscription. Where are their refunds?
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Ionian
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 23:16:12
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☄ Helpfulby FettsVett 2017/11/22 23:19:33
Lol, does this mean Clean Audio folder will never be made into an actual functional program?!
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lgmab
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 23:16:26
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tonyzub999 So does this an I will get a refund on the annual fee I just paid a couple weeks ago on their "sale" . They had to know then that this was coming.
Same here....I hope that they will do the right thing and reimburse us!
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anxiousmofo
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 23:25:28
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rwandering The #1 element you need in class action is enough of a possible payout to pay for a lawyer. How many people are actually in this category of "paid for SPLAT and join the class action"? And what are the damages per person? My guess is that both of these numbers are too low to be worth it. Just my 2 cents.
There are a lot of hungry lawyers and lawyers are frequently compensated in class actions by fee and cost awards. Not gunning for litigation here-- just trying to disabuse some (not you) of their baseless, haughty chortles about lawsuit viability.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 23:26:54
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Sad news, indeed. I still have Cakewalk 1.0 floppies around here somewhere. Severe Tire Damage, first band on the internet, used Cakewalk/SONAR forever. And on all my professional audio work, too. And I promoted it in my book "Digital Audio". I think there was a demo copy included with the book (this was a long time ago). Thanks Cakewalk!
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lgmab
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 23:28:54
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Scott Reams
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dopderbeck I'm a lawyer. I think there could be a basis for a class action.
I'm a Psychiatrist. I think there could be a good chance you're delusional.
I wouldn't be sure about that. If it could be shown that Gibson knew it would be shutting down Cakewalk before it instituted it's lifetime updates policy, there would be excellent cause for a lawsuit.
I think they probably did know this when they offered the plan...is quite disconcerting!
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Johnbee58
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 23:50:05
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It would be very nice if just once companies and corporations would consult the CUSTOMERS in addition to the stockholders before making decisions like this. John B.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 23:56:08
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anxiousmofo
Not gunning for litigation here-- just trying to disabuse some (not you) of their baseless, haughty chortles about lawsuit viability.
Unfortunately you've failed ( I guess you get that a lot?) as will your law suits and class actions
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 00:04:14
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I just wanted to thank the mods for all their work helping us mortal users get around the correct way to do a task; John, Steve Cook, Craig and the others. Without your help and guidance, this would have been ugly. Us old farts are either stuck in our ways, or hiding under the bed. Hope to see you down the road. Clint
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Johnbee58
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 00:19:09
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I was seriously considering upgrading my X3 to Professional, but in lieu of this, I think I'll upgrade my Reason 7.1 to Reason 10. They allow third party plugins now and they have a much better mixer anyway. John B.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 00:21:13
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Well this is very upsetting news as I was really getting the hang of using Sonar. Bummer. I wish all the Cakewalk employees the best. So much for the 30 year specials. This must of been the surprise they were talking about. Was there an email sent to us user that I missed? I just happened to be checking out the forum today and found out. In the mist of also building a new computer to run it. Any suggestions on a new DAW?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 00:29:11
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Johnbee58 I was seriously considering upgrading my X3 to Professional, but in lieu of this, I think I'll upgrade my Reason 7.1 to Reason 10. They allow third party plugins now and they have a much better mixer anyway...
I did that today, also from 7. Upgrade is on sale, can be had for $87ish at Audiodeluxe, which is pretty good value considering everything that comes with it - Grain is amazing and worth that on its own IMO. It's come a long way from 7, vst integration is pretty solid, and it's still Reason, still stable and efficient and fun and creative and different. Was going to do it anyway but this announcement plus the sale clinched it. I doubt it can replace Sonar entirely for me but I can make music with it. Looking at S1 as well, and will try to spend a bit more time with Live to see if I can get my head around it.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 00:34:53
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To all the diligent folks behind the development of Sonar.... For all the hard work, time and focu that you gave us...Thank you.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 00:51:57
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OK, It's been about a day now and I still can't believe this. Surely Cakewalk can't just die. I hope so much that someone rescues it. If not, then I hope something really good comes out of it. Like the bakers get together and develop a brand new, amazing DAW. Either way, Gibson will curl up into a ball and die and hopefully rot away with no one putting any flowers on its grave. I always hated Gibson with a passion since I was a kid. I might have known they would screw up my favorite DAW.
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tlw
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 01:48:18
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What to say,....
First, commiserations and very best wishes to all at Cakewalk. And thanks for building the best Windows DAW, even if it somehow never got the recognition it deserved.
Also commiserations to all who rely on Sonar for their living. I’m sure you can do without the hassle and expense of having to change DAW.
As many probably have noticed, my personal journey with Sonar has gradually wound up over the last year or so having used it for many years. Not because I don’t like Sonar or prefer another DAW, I simply do not like the way Windows has been going since Win8. The only PC we have was the Sonar one, everything else being Apple for some time - and then the PC got increasingly unreliable so the question became “new PC and Win10.... or Mac and Logic?” Apple won that one for all kinds of reasons, none connected with Sonar..
I really hoped the “Sonar for Mac” thing would materialise as a capable DAW. When it didn’t I wasn’t entirely surprised - a new product in that market has to be 100% right from the off to stand a chance, especially if it comes from an established company. So not surprised, but disappointed.
The “lifetime updates” thing did make a few faint warning bells sound - often that kind of thing is done by a company which needs to raise capital very quickly and is willing to forego future sales in exchange for the capital. There can be many reasons for that, not all of them good or reassuring ones.
It was Craig Anderton’s departure from Gibson which got the sirens wailing.
So I’m not entirely surprised at what’s happened, though I’d much prefer it hadn’t. No company is guaranteed succcess or even survival, but that’s no consolation for those on the sharp end as employees or customers.
Thanks also to all the people who’ve made this forum what it is. A rare oasis of (mostly) sanity, tolerance, knowledge and sense and with probably the highest signal to noise ratio of any forum of its kind. I’ve learned a lot from you over the years, so thanks everyone.
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Edu Camargo
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 01:58:35
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Any chance of Roland taking Cakewalk back? I just wish some light at the end of the tunnel for Cakewalk Music Software, since I just migrated to computer-based music production recently and I think Sonar has opened a new horizon to me as a music producer. Thanks to the tools provided by Sonar I've been thinking more and more about involving myself into the idea of producing stuff, as well as singing and writing songs. Although we will continue to have access to our products via C3 and such, I would love to see Sonar remaining in development and allowing us to develop our ideas as well. I'm in hopes that Cakewalk Music Software get forwarded to awesome hands, or at least they find some way to regain independence. For some reason, though, I wish Roland could take it back...
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 02:03:29
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Scott Reams
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dopderbeck I'm a lawyer. I think there could be a basis for a class action.
I'm a Psychiatrist. I think there could be a good chance you're delusional.
I wouldn't be sure about that. If it could be shown that Gibson knew it would be shutting down Cakewalk before it instituted it's lifetime updates policy, there would be excellent cause for a lawsuit.
I'm a gardener I'm going to miss the entertainment value of this forum
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 02:06:26
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Ron2112 Yeesh. You should have read the whole thread. Sounds like monthly subscribers are getting converted into "lifetime" accounts, with full functionality unlocked. Cakewalk is apparently doing the right thing. You guys panicking is not helping things at all. Never seen more misinformation spread as I have in the last couple days.
Can you please link the post in this thread where you've gotten that information? I have read the entire thread and I must have missed that one.
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paul jenkins
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 02:09:08
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Johnbee58 It would be very nice if just once companies and corporations would consult the CUSTOMERS in addition to the stockholders before making decisions like this. John B.
I just think, surely there is still a bunch of customers who would pay money for sonar, even if cakewalk was cut back to one staff member, it just seems like such a waste to completely kill the product......and surely its worth selling
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 02:15:18
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I was waiting for this week-end to once again renew my subscription and start receiving Updates. I was hoping there would be a version of Platinum on Sale for the Black Friday week-end. However, seeing that Gibson is closing down their Cakewalk operations what would be the point of me paying for another year subscription. I would like to receive all of the current updates. Will I have the ability to get this last years updates, or would Gibson be so kind to allow a long time user like myself to get it for a reasonable price, or for Free? I am truly disappointed, having invested in Updates since Cakewalk began all those years ago, I believe it would be a good will gesture to allow users like myself to have all of the current Updates...sorry to see you go. dmc
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 02:15:22
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Johnbee58 I was seriously considering upgrading my X3 to Professional, but in lieu of this, I think I'll upgrade my Reason 7.1 to Reason 10. They allow third party plugins now and they have a much better mixer anyway. John B.
at least this happened before you upgraded.......I was weighing up a year ago whether I should spend "all" my money on studio one, pro tools, reason or just get a mac with garage band etc......I chose sonar, and spent so much money on sonar.........anyway, I have a copy of studio one 3 artist which came with my presonous mixer and sound card
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Ionian
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 02:18:46
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The stereo interleave and phase buttons being removed from track view was laughable. Long standing bugs never being fixed in exchange for more and more bloatware. Staff view? What's that?
Maybe if the developers listened to the user base, or at least people who used the program professionally, they might have created something viable instead of putting Sonar into a tailspin that began with X1 and pretty much stating with that version that this program was no longer geared towards professionals and instead geared toward hobbyists.
The developers have no one to blame but themselves for where this all ended up. Next time bakers (or whatever company you get your next job with) try listening to your user base instead of thinking you know what's best, especially when it's clear none of the programmers use this program in a professional manner and therefore have no clue what professional users want.
Anyway, thanks for the hints here - I hit up audio deluxe and got the Studio one / Notion bundle for like $189 with the black friday coupon. I'll spend the next two days learning it and moving work over.
Actually thanks to Cakewalk for getting me to do what I should have done the minute they released that laughable X1 version.
My equipment: A Commodore 64, 2 1541 Disk Drives, Dr T's Music Studio and a Casiotone CT-460. www.frankperri.com
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