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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
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☄ Helpfulby burgerproduction 2017/11/22 21:26:49
Well like everyone else I am shocked and frustrated. Probably will be mad here in a little while. My guess is there are a couple of things going on.
1. In reading the Gibson article it is apparent that the owners are not really sure what they are doing or are just pocketing the profits of Gibson without concern of customers. If their quality is really that bad then I have to believe they are hemorrhaging on the guitar side and need to cut expenses and lower margin business. I was considering a Gibson guitar but you can bet that is off the table. I just heard from a friend that Gibson was considering bankruptcy earlier this year and was looking for debt financing. I am assuming they may not have got it or it is insane interest rates.
2. For the last several years I felt that Sonar was losing ground as when you would read articles, look for tutorials or troll forums you just didn't see Sonar mentioned. As one who has been through many company transitions I can tell you it is difficult to stay focused on your job while going through all the changes. I have to commend the long standing staff at Cakewalk for their perseverance and continued focus on the customer. I wonder what they could have done with a really good owner.
3. I would assume a company that is ran by anyone with any business sense would have already tried selling the company before simply shuttering it. If the CEO's personality is what is portrayed on line I doubt anyone really wants to deal with him or he wants too much money to make the deal make sense.
4. My hopes:
A. Someone somewhere will pick up the asset. (My guess is that won't happen until Gibson goes bankrupt or is purchased by someone that cares. I would assume that Gibson while shutting it down will keep the intellectual property and might be required to sell it if it has value in bankruptcy to pay debts.
B. They do keep it up and running long enough for everyone to get transitioned. I really feel sorry for those of you that use this software to run your day to day business's.
C. That other companies might take this opportunity to reach out to the Cakewalk community and offer them special deals on their software to get us transitioned. I hate to think about how much money I have sunk into this product over the last 30 year.
Sorry for the rambling, I think it is more therapeutic than anything else.
Lastly like everyone else on the forum here I pray that each and everyone of the people that devoted themselves to Cakewalk will find work quickly and that this will not impact their families in a dramatic way. It is obvious this was not in any way the real Bakers fault.
Will look forward to the Question and Answer worksheet Noel mentioned after they recover from the shock.
If possible I hope everyone has a Happy Thanksgiving! My experience is taking time to value family and friends has immense more value than what any job or company can provide.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 20:09:03
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I am very sad about what Gibson did with Cakewalk, without any warning. The only way for Cake to escape from this trap is to be sold to a group of big brands or a large software company.
Microsoft I read a while ago that she was thinking of developing a powerful Daw for windows that was hers. Maybe Microsoft, but would I be more pleased that the behringer group that acquired midas among other companies was getting the why not to dream about Adobe?
I just think that the employees and whoever is in there can not accept this situation from being reduced to "let's keep the servers running." The guys have 30 years of experience, one of the most innovative Daws developers in the world.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 20:21:22
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☄ Helpfulby burgerproduction 2017/11/22 21:28:03
aceric
I see many people in this thread who are kind of panicking about what to use beyond sonar now that it's at EOL. Without trying to sound like a sales guy, I encourage you to try Mixcraft 8,
My suggestion would be for people to take a little time. It is sad to see the end of the line here. Frankly I am most sad for the bakers who have worked so hard on this project over the years. The reality is that the DAW field is really crowded. We users have a lot of options and for most of us, there really is no need to rush off to the next thing. Most DAWs do one update a year or something like that. So really, nothing changes for Sonar users until about a year from now. Many of us already use more than one DAW, which brings up another point of sadness. One of the greatest things about SONAR was the user base. With few exceptions, pe3ople here have been extremely generous with their time and expertise. I have not found a similar culture anywhere else. If anybody does find that, I'd appreciate hearing about it because for me, the DAWs themselves are close enough to be considered equivalent. The people make the difference.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 20:23:37
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In germany I read a lot of newer articles that Gibson is nearly insolvent. Apparently because they have bought Phillips.
So it is possible that the name of "Gibson" is possible soon sold to an other group. Gibson has a lot of debt and has to pay them 2018. And they cann't. But that's been known for a long time.
Maybe Cakewalk will be sold again to a new group?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 20:26:05
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Microsoft has teamed well with StaffPad which strength is in music notation entry using the Surface pen device. So i hope they will consider doing something good with Cakewalk. The recent thing that Sonar integrated was the Surface wheel device.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 20:29:22
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☄ Helpfulby burgerproduction 2017/11/22 21:30:20
I've tested a few other DAW's in the last two years before updating to Splat from x1 and there are strengths and weakness in all of them, but what I mostly got out of it was just how great Cakewalk is. It may not do what other DAW's have as their strength but it does everything they do and don't do really well. I think that's why it attracted so many people from so many different genres(analog to digital sequencing). Thanks to all the Bakers, Craig and all the members on this forum for making a fantastic platform or should I say Splatform. I hope someone finds the value and buys it but then again, I don't know about what the benefits Gibson has of Liquidation vs Sale.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 20:33:29
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☄ Helpfulby THERAPSMITH 2017/11/23 00:36:31
With other words: (I guess ...) Gibson has no money to pay Cakewalks developer team.
And I hope they will sell Cakewalk as fast as possible to a new company.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 20:44:22
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I believe it would be normal for Gibson to have already made a few efforts to sell Cakewalk. Nobody would shutter development and then try to sell - they'd sell a going concern with all the developers and IP. So it's my guess that there were no takers.
I thought growth through acquisitions was a 1980s thing that IME has not seen many successes.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 20:50:44
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 20:52:45
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The more time Cake gets in Gibson's hands, the faster it will be forgotten by ordinary users. It's no use for Cake to keep fans. Although ordinary users should not even be aware of this information about the end of the company. Cake must be sold as soon as possible. We as users have to make some sort of petition to rid Cakewalk of this situation. That's urgent, maybe a petition will help, we just want to get Cakewalk out of Gibson's clutches.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 20:57:41
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julianochrisway
The more time Cake gets in Gibson's hands, the faster it will be forgotten by ordinary users. It's no use for Cake to keep fans. Although ordinary users should not even be aware of this information about the end of the company. Cake must be sold as soon as possible. We as users have to make some sort of petition to rid Cakewalk of this situation. That's urgent, maybe a petition will help, we just want to get Cakewalk out of Gibson's clutches.
Sort of: https://www.gofundme.com/save-sonar
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 21:06:16
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I wonder what will be with the next subscriptions fees? I decided to upgrade from X3 to Platinum last year, several days ago paid the 11th payment and expected that next month I become an owner of the Platinum version... But now I noticed that the cakewalk shop is down so does it mean that the 12th payment will not be charged? And finnally the ownership after 12 months of subscription is cancelled in such situation?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 21:23:26
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sad, sad...and not the run up to Xams the Bakers would like.. hats off to them and hope something good comes out of this for both them and us users.
Lots of questions going forward.. lets hope they are answered
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 21:29:45
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SONAR can do Projects with up to 400 GB of tapes and vinyl. Recordlength up to 80 hours.
And then splitting 80 hours of tapes into thousends of clips.
SONAR has a very fast handling to split thousends of clips and zoom them in and out with the mousewheel. Also it's very easy to apply the effects to the clips and mark them as "done".
I checked other DAWs the last years, they do this very slower and uncomfortable.
At the moment I try to check Studio One. But at the moment I don't see the possibility to render an effect to its own clip. Even scrolling through hours of audio is not so comfortable. Even zooming in Studio One is not so good, because you can not change the zoom-factor.
The next point is: We need to change 14 computers.
And even if I turn of internet SONAR needs to re-authorize after dynamik changing the IP-Adress in the network.
Have you looked at WaveLab? There's a trial version available.
https://www.steinberg.net/en/products/steinberg_trial_versions.html
I own Wavelab Pro and Adobe Edition. Both are great editors, but their workflow is a lot slower then SONAR.
We know companies that make the same work. And they ask me how we can work so fast - because they work with ProTools, Samplitude, WaveLabe or Adobe.
At the moment I check Studio One. It has a great MacroEditor and a very good management to name clips. Splitting clips is very fast. But it is not possible to render an effect to a single clip. Only for the whole track. That is a problem. Because I need to render for example an equalizer with different settings to different clips. And normalisation is only possible to 0dB. That is also a problem.
Hey there, Actually, you can render fx to a clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPh4p2mUz7A You can put anything you want on it.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 21:33:58
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dazarz
I wonder what will be with the next subscriptions fees? I decided to upgrade from X3 to Platinum last year, several days ago paid the 11th payment and expected that next month I become an owner of the Platinum version... But now I noticed that the cakewalk shop is down so does it mean that the 12th payment will not be charged? And finnally the ownership after 12 months of subscription is cancelled in such situation?
Just saw at one of the FB Cakewalk groups someone tried to pay there monthly ( 1st year ) via Cleverbridge .. wouldnt accept or allow or take payment .. If this is the case and persists then people with less than a years payment are going to end up with a dud useless demo software?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 21:34:41
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I have been a LOYAL user since '96 (CW Home Studio 5), and to be totally blunt, this is a unacceptable. I am hurt, saddened, angry, and disappointed. All the promises made and Gibson is STILL pushing lifetime updates on their online store. Ridiculous. The only thing we can do as users is band together as one, and reach out on social media and other channels to make some real noise. We need to assist with our voices other possible options for Cakewalk's potential new home (Slate, Microsoft, UAD, Softube, etc). We can't let them do this to us.
20 years with the same DAW, and we shouldn't have to pressed to move onto something different. I will be speaking my voice loud and clear on all of my social media channels and supporting others who feel the same sentiment. We cannot let this go lightly. It sickens me that I signed up for LIFETIME updates only to have them kill Cakewalk a year later!! Damn shame loyal customers don't mean anything to the decision makers. You can follow me and the movement on twitter : @bigchrizzle. Let's get the #SaveCakewalk hashtag trending!! We need to save our DAW from a premature death.
Gibson, if you had no interest or the means to support Cakewalk and its users long term, why did you buy the company??
I'm fuming!!! #SaveCakewalk!! Gibson you need to act now!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 21:35:50
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If PC tech advances far enough to obsolete Sonar, it will be time to dedicate the/a DAW PC to Sonar, and move up to a new PC. Thank you Cakewalk folks for pioneering computer music on the PC, and staying with it at the cutting edge since for so long. I hope you get to remain just as creative and productive and you get to create the future of music recording. Looking forward to it. 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 21:47:20
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☄ Helpfulby rwandering 2017/11/22 22:25:32
dopderbeck
I'm a lawyer. I think there could be a basis for a class action.
I'm a Psychiatrist. I think there could be a good chance you're delusional.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 21:48:48
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kson
THambrecht
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SONAR can do Projects with up to 400 GB of tapes and vinyl. Recordlength up to 80 hours.
And then splitting 80 hours of tapes into thousends of clips.
SONAR has a very fast handling to split thousends of clips and zoom them in and out with the mousewheel. Also it's very easy to apply the effects to the clips and mark them as "done".
I checked other DAWs the last years, they do this very slower and uncomfortable.
At the moment I try to check Studio One. But at the moment I don't see the possibility to render an effect to its own clip. Even scrolling through hours of audio is not so comfortable. Even zooming in Studio One is not so good, because you can not change the zoom-factor.
The next point is: We need to change 14 computers.
And even if I turn of internet SONAR needs to re-authorize after dynamik changing the IP-Adress in the network.
Have you looked at WaveLab? There's a trial version available.
https://www.steinberg.net/en/products/steinberg_trial_versions.html
I own Wavelab Pro and Adobe Edition. Both are great editors, but their workflow is a lot slower then SONAR.
We know companies that make the same work. And they ask me how we can work so fast - because they work with ProTools, Samplitude, WaveLabe or Adobe.
At the moment I check Studio One. It has a great MacroEditor and a very good management to name clips. Splitting clips is very fast. But it is not possible to render an effect to a single clip. Only for the whole track. That is a problem. Because I need to render for example an equalizer with different settings to different clips. And normalisation is only possible to 0dB. That is also a problem.
Hey there,
Actually, you can render fx to a clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPh4p2mUz7A
You can put anything you want on it.
Yes - there is the possibility to insert an effect to an clip. But imagine you have 1250 clips from 50 hours of 15 tapes to be rendered with the same EQ, but 10 to 20 different settings - or iZotope RX deNoiser, it is very hard to insert 1250 EQs + 1250 deNoiser with different settings. And this is the absolute NoGo: It is not possible to send a clip to the iZotope RX Editor. In Studio One you cannot insert a special Waveeditor like in SONAR. Maybe the upcoming version 4 in a year or two. So I will test Cubase 9.5. At the moment there is no Test Version, because the version is only 7 days old. That has a integration with WaveLab, Batch Edit and can apply effects to itself (I hope the effects from the effect bin - not a clip effect).
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 21:49:41
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aidanodr
Just saw at one of the FB Cakewalk groups someone tried to pay there monthly ( 1st year ) via Cleverbridge .. wouldnt accept or allow or take payment ..
If this is the case and persists then people with less than a years payment are going to end up with a dud useless demo software?
That's not surprising considering Cakewalk stopped using Clevebridge some time agao 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 21:55:25
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aidanodr
Just saw at one of the FB Cakewalk groups someone tried to pay there monthly ( 1st year ) via Cleverbridge .. wouldnt accept or allow or take payment ..
If this is the case and persists then people with less than a years payment are going to end up with a dud useless demo software?
That's not surprising considering Cakewalk stopped using Clevebridge some time agao
Well then, if on facebook, go to Cakewalk Sonar User Group (CSUG) .. and in post starting: "I'm buying Splat on the monthly, but I haven't paid the full year yet..." A reply from same user is: "Just tried to make a payment to Cleverbridge, not taking payments..." Now, unless they themselves used Cleverbridge but actually meant who ever they paying?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 21:57:01
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Like so many here i'm personally gutted and thoughts are with the Cakewalk community, devs and the team that gave us such great software for 30 years. I honestly hope that Gibson are hanging their heads in shame.
No other Daw is as good at everything as Cakewalk, i've been looking at videos of the so called market leaders and they are only just now introducing features that have been in sonar for years. Any other DAW will be a step back in time even if it does look pretty.
If anyone is reading these thoughts from the community and has any ability to keep Cakewalk going in whatever guise please, please, please do your best.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 22:06:26
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Matron Landslide
dopderbeck
I'm a lawyer. I think there could be a basis for a class action.
I'm a Psychiatrist. I think there could be a good chance you're delusional.
There would be no claim if people are merely trying to assert damage based on the "lifetime" offering by itself. If, however, discovery uncovered documentation of corporate knowledge that SPLAT was nearing end of life, yet the powers that be made affirmative efforts to assure everyone that SPLAT was not being discontinued and marketed lifetime licenses, etc., there could be viable claims for fraud in the inducement, unjust enrichment, etc. So, shrink that.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 22:14:58
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Go for it, I enjoy a good laugh 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 22:16:54
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Matron Landslide
Go for it, I enjoy a good laugh
I'm a comedian, and there is a good chance this isn't funny.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 22:22:27
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Oh it's funny alright
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 22:24:25
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 22:25:06
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I wonder what will be with the next subscriptions fees? I decided to upgrade from X3 to Platinum last year, several days ago paid the 11th payment and expected that next month I become an owner of the Platinum version... But now I noticed that the cakewalk shop is down so does it mean that the 12th payment will not be charged? And finnally the ownership after 12 months of subscription is cancelled in such situation?
Just saw at one of the FB Cakewalk groups someone tried to pay there monthly ( 1st year ) via Cleverbridge .. wouldnt accept or allow or take payment ..
If this is the case and persists then people with less than a years payment are going to end up with a dud useless demo software?
Yeesh. You should have read the whole thread. Sounds like monthly subscribers are getting converted into "lifetime" accounts, with full functionality unlocked. Cakewalk is apparently doing the right thing. You guys panicking is not helping things at all. Never seen more misinformation spread as I have in the last couple days.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 22:27:20
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Enjoy your armchair.
It's very commfy here 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/22 22:29:20
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The #1 element you need in class action is enough of a possible payout to pay for a lawyer.
How many people are actually in this category of "paid for SPLAT and join the class action"?
And what are the damages per person?
My guess is that both of these numbers are too low to be worth it.
Just my 2 cents.
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