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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 17:46:13 (permalink)
I see many people in this thread who are kind of panicking about what to use beyond sonar now that it's at EOL. Without trying to sound like a sales guy, I encourage you to try Mixcraft 8, it's come a long way since earlier versions and is every bit as capable as any daw on the market. I use it exclusively in a professional studio setting and have converted many sonar users.
If you have questions, ask away and I'll help you out as much as I can.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 17:49:04 (permalink)
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Appreciate the comment, not familiar with Mixcraft, but trust you realize what you might be taking on. The bar has been raised pretty high for a certain class of users. Features, workflow and highly usable SONAR exclusive components will invite direct comparison. 
 
I'm looking into compiling a comprehensive feature by feature comparison for possible alternatives and will make a point to consider Mixcraft. 



I added this here in another thread JW:


We are spoiled with Sonar and such a high bar I think, right down to the UI. I tried MIXCRAFT for a while just to see, loading VSTs is not as intuitive to me as it is in Sonar. UI a bit "older" looking

I reckon Sonar will be hard to replace for me :( .. As I said elsehere .. I will wait and see where Sonar goes, I think it is not dead, its too good to be dead / not snapped up ... in my opinion!

And i love PROCHANNEL & the whole UI layout, Skylight interface




I haven't tried Mixcraft but I have heard good things. My issue is: do I really want to invest time and money in another DAW if that DAW might be the next to go under? I have no idea of the financial health of Acoustica, they may be in great shape for all we know. But how do we know which of the current DAW's have a good future? For all we know, any one of them might be the next to go under. So in deciding which should be your next DAW it might be worth taking that into account. 

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 17:50:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mr. torture 2017/11/22 19:45:57
I'm a lawyer.  I think there could be a basis for a class action.  
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 17:54:17 (permalink)
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 My only issue with someone taking over Sonar is the licensing.  Over the years I spent more time using other DAWs. What I loved about Sonar is the authorization. They always had an "I trust you" attitude towards the end user.  I've always supported them based on this.  I have SPLAT installed on all of my systems. I doubt this flexible licensing would exist under Microsoft.  As with my Sony products they are on 2 machines.  When Magix decides to have a 2 machine authorization I will buy their licenses.



the trust model don't work, that simple.. sure makers expect you to maybe have a "funny" version for a year or 2, but they do expect you to say.. "i like doing this.. I'll buy into it"  . hence why DAW makers are so keen to go after students. sure you can do the "stack it high, sell it cheap" model reaper does, but that also affects dev costs.
 
if you had a a dev company, would you put it down to trust ? I wouldn't .. as I know we are in an era moreso than ever where people are "what, I have to pay for this ?"  . same with albums etc. and look at how low cost they are compared.
 
I'm not a fan of elicenser / ilok.. but I've got great software that I can only get by using them.. and I know that my payment is going to help devs.. not those wanting a free ride for 6+ years.
 


There are a number of companies that do this.  Cakewalk did for 20+ years.  To say "trust" doesn't work is a fallacy.  
 
Reaper's whole business model lets you download the full blown product and then assumes you will buy it if you continue to use it.  
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 17:54:32 (permalink)
I'm still in shock.
I know I'll never buy anything from Gibson brands if they don't resolve the activation for us paying customers.
I brought the lifetime pass and I feel really shafted.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 17:58:23 (permalink)
Whatever happens, may iZotope never come to own Cakewalk.  Despite how good it would be for the Prochannel, their pricing and customer gouging are abhorrent.  They would charge us $250+ every 6 months for negligible product improvements supposedly constituting a new version of the DAW.
 
They are also wont to abandon products at the drop of a hat.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 18:01:27 (permalink)
Someone here guessed exactly right! 
 
They said as soon as Gibson take over, they're going to ruin Cakewalk totally, that's according their history of ruining every company they took over.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 18:02:43 (permalink)
So sad....
 
Thank you Sonar, hope you will survive!!!! All my thoughts to Cakewalk's teams
 
**** YOU GIBSON, **** YOU!!!!!!!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 18:14:24 (permalink)
Just here to pay my respects, as it were.  I switched from Sonar in about 2010 to Cubase, but there's things about Sonar I prefer to this day.  Also TBH I looked jealously at how development seems to have been in the past few years in particular, it seemed an unusually good relationship between company and users.  Not quite so with Steinberg (and definitely not with Avid).  So double well wishes go out to those employees who made that happen, and are now redundant.
 
Obviously as many have said, getting a version where the license will work without further online authorisation when reinstalling etc would be good - as a community that would seem to be something to push for, if it is indeed possible to push for anything.  I don't think anyone should rush off to buy another DAW right away, but starting your research now wouldn't hurt - FWIW I'd say just take plenty of time, wait for when you're quiet between projects, try some trial versions etc.  Every DAW out there has its strengths and its weaknesses... in the end Cubase turned out to be considerably better for me than Sonar, but as I've said certainly not in all areas.  And have to say - the learning curve going elsewhere really isn't my idea of fun.
 
I'm genuinely saddened by the end of Sonar, and feel for every one of you who is feeling bereft at the moment.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 18:29:59 (permalink)
Gibson's genius vision / leadership strikes again.... what else will they acquire... so they can run it into a ditch?
The mishandling of this asset lays squarely on the shoulders of Gibson's leadership.
 
Sadly, -we smelled this when they promoted "lifetime" licenses last year.
When Craig "bowed out" it was like "Duck!  Incoming!"
 
'tis sad... Sonar is great software.
 
I have defended Sonar, for years, against the "pro tools is the only pro level DAW" crowd.
I now have a lot of data that will have to be dealt with eventually.... what a pain.
 
I hope that the software brainpower behind Cakewalk lands on their feet...they have done good work...
 
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 18:31:33 (permalink)
I feared this ever since the Gibson takeover.  This is very sad because those of us long time users of Cakewalk know what it does and have used other DAW's and realized that bang for the buck it's about the best that you can get.  I also have a Studio One license, which is OK, but it is so severely limited in certain aspects vs. Sonar. Like creating Tempo maps and such, it's  a breeze on Sonar, and a pain trying to do it in Studio One.  Plus Studio One's MIDI implementation is a joke.
 
I will probably go to Cubase, as I feel it's a more mature product than Studio One, but it's really sad to see this happen.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 18:38:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby joel77 2017/11/24 16:15:22
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I'm gutted :( 
 
Just heard about this on the UAD (Universal Audio) Forum and had to come here to double check, Like many on here I have been a CW user for years and I have had the benefit of searching this forum to solve all my issues and had some brilliant help from all of you guys and Craig. 
 
My thoughts are with the employees directly affected by this announcement and would hope that someone(Microsoft???) would step in soon to save this fantastic product from extinction.
 
My immediate concern now is to ensure that I have the ability to re-Install and authorize Sonar in the event of a PC failure in the future months/years so I can at least re-visit old recordings 
 
I guess the search for a new DAW should commence and I'll wait to see which Craig recommends and wait for his article in Sound on Sound.
 
Al. 
 


I can't really "recommend" anything, recording software programs are all so different and making music is so personal. Ableton Live is a great program, but it's not sonar. Actually, none of them are sonar. Pro Tools for me is a non-starter, but there are plenty of excellent programs. Samplitude is very deep, but Windows only and this time around, I want something cross platform. Acoustica Mixcraft is also a fine and cost-effective program, with very good video capabilities; it has a demo you can download. Cubase has very deep midi and staff view.

I am seriously looking at Studio One Pro for several reasons. One is the mastering page and being able to do projects, export to duplication, do analytics, etc. I've been using this in parallel with Sonarbfro years. I don't find the song writing process as fluid or complete as sonar, but I will be learning it because it can also do some things that sonar can't do. Reason is a dark horse in all this; it has really matured over the years and is ideal for certain types of users. So really what you need to do is download demos, spend some time, and find out what has the best chemistry for you. For me, that's Studio One Pro for the studio, and Ableton Live for live. But you aren't me and I'm not you so you have to find the program that really works for you. I will definitely miss sonar, big time, but that's the way it goes. Thanks again to a wonderful Community, you haven't just supported Cakewalk, you've supported my efforts as well.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 18:38:36 (permalink)
Yea. This is a shocker.
I have a lifetime contract also but I feel I've already gotten my money's worth.

Hopefully someone really hip will buy Cakewalk from Gibson and keep all the people that have been so helpful on payroll.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 18:39:38 (permalink)
I should've known this would happen as soon as Gibson took over. But I bought the lifetime subscription anyway. DOH!!!
 
Sure would be nice if all of the add-ons that only work in Sonar could somehow be re-licensed for use in other DAWs.
Anybody know anything about that?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 18:40:00 (permalink)
My sincere condolences to all of you guys at Cakewalk.  My very first DAW software was Sonar Homestudio XL years ago.  Although I haven't been using Sonar Platinum exclusively,  I never saw it coming to an end.  It's been a long and fun ride.  

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 18:42:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SiberianKhatru59 2017/11/22 19:01:55
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It's like a death in the family!


 

No, it really isn't. Only someone who is emotionally r.e.t.a.r.d.e.d. would actually say or believe that. Reality check: A software product you've enjoyed using extensively over a long period of time will no longer be updated. Deal with it. Try googling: Grief counselors for discontinued computer applications re Opcode Vision et al



 


Several hundred (and still coming) posts attest to the lack of insight (not to mention compassion) demonstrated in your remark. People's feelings are valid. They are an understandable reaction. Cakewalk is not just software. It is a living, dynamic community of musicians who have shared their hopes, dreams, frustrations and more for many years. I AM a former counselor. You don't invalidate people's feelings like this. You owe them an apology.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 18:45:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2017/11/23 00:26:04
This Mixcraft spam from people with next to no posts is gauche, offputting and unappreciated.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 18:45:20 (permalink)
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I can't really "recommend" anything, recording software programs are all so different and making music is so personal. Ableton Live is a great program, but it's not sonar. Actually, none of them are sonar. Pro Tools for me is a non-starter, but there are plenty of excellent programs. Samplitude is very deep, but Windows only and this time around, I want something cross platform. Acoustica Mixcraft is also a fine and cost-effective program, with very good video capabilities; it has a demo you can download. Cubase has very deep midi and staff view.

I am seriously looking at Studio One Pro for several reasons. One is the mastering page and being able to do projects, export to duplication, do analytics, etc. I've been using this in parallel with Sonarbfro years. I don't find the song writing process as fluid or complete as sonar, but I will be learning it because it can also do some things that sonar can't do. Reason is a dark horse in all this; it has really matured over the years and is ideal for certain types of users. So really what you need to do is download demos, spend some time, and find out what has the best chemistry for you. For me, that's Studio One Pro for the studio, and Ableton Live for live. But you aren't me and I'm not you so you have to find the program that really works for you. I will definitely miss sonar, big time, but that's the way it goes. Thanks again to a wonderful Community, you haven't just supported Cakewalk, you've supported my efforts as well.



I can highly recommend Ableton Live for Live performance,  and I really like Studio One 3 Pro.  Both are capable programs,  but I'm surprised you didn't mention Cubase.  I never really gave Steinberg a chance because of the dongle,  but two years ago,  I did,  and I have to say,  I was pleasantly surprised.  Cubase 9.5 Pro is by far my favorite DAW now when it comes to mixing.  There's definitely some things that Sonar has that it doesn't,  but for me personally,  it has everything that I need.  

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 18:52:40 (permalink)
I agree.  This is terrible news.   I'm wondering if there's any reason to continue with my cleverbridge subscription.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 18:59:56 (permalink)
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Personally I doubt whether Gibson will still be around this time next year. 



We can only hope.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 19:05:26 (permalink)
Gees... So used to using Sonar.. Just Downloaded the demos of Studio One and Mixbus but really... Nothing compared to Sonar... Especially when it comes to editing...
 
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 19:17:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass 2017/11/23 00:29:05
What about activation after install?
So we can save the Sonar 'install files' for future use, even after they drop the web pages,  but how will licence activation work without a website, or will on-line activation remain operative?, some other provision to activate, before Sonar is completely ghosted?
 
speaking of internet, our internet is under general threat of being taken over by a few media giants and other billion dollar players - time to assemble for redress of grievances so the adventure can continue - dress warm, bring friends, sandwiches and water.
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 19:27:56 (permalink)
Spent the last 1.5 days trying demos of various DAWs. Studio 1, Mixcraft, Pro Tools (shudder... nope. It's just really awful to me), Cubase.
 
Being in the business for many years now and having literally used pretty much everything on both mac and pc, I chose Cakewalk because it nailed everything: workflow, features, tools, layout, support, pro channel (I'll miss you most of all) updates, etc etc etc. I could never really wrap my head around why everyone wasn't using it.
 
I'll just keep using SPLAT until I can't and then figure it out. Hopefully it gets reincarnated in some fashion in the future.
 
Life goes on, yeah?
 
 

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 19:28:20 (permalink)
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My concern with "everything still works" is that at some point we might be required to upgrade our OS unless we want to leave our current DAW offline and never update it again just to use Sonar in its current state. 



This has been my working method all along. Combined with Macrium Reflect it's bullet proof.

My absolutely worst case would be having to build a new physical PC and if not finding a crack for Sonar Platinum 2017.01 ... installing X3 and I'd still be in good shape.
X3 is not as good as 2017.01 but tolerable. 

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 19:30:56 (permalink)
please stop to promote other DAWs here
everything must be good, i don't believe Gibson will destroy Sonar completely - there's just no reason if they can sell it.
just remember nokia...it was dead brand and now alive again
 
no panic =)
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 19:33:08 (permalink)
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 But it is not possible to render an effect to a single clip. Only for the whole track. That is a problem. Because I need to render for example an equalizer with different settings to different clips. And normalisation is only possible to 0dB. That is also a problem.



Cubase allows you to apply any effect to individual clips. 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 19:36:20 (permalink)
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This Mixcraft spam from people with next to no posts is gauche, offputting and unappreciated.

Why? Here are many people with money, looking for the next DAW. I wish to see here Steinberg, Ableton, Presonus, Tracktion, Avid, etc. people with offers. But with GOOD offers, please
 
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WHY DONT WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND BUY THE COMPANY?

That idea, also spamed in several threads, is really unappreciated.
Ok, community has collected $1-5-10M and has bought Cakewalk... And? What you are going to do with it?

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 19:40:02 (permalink)
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WHY DONT WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND BUY THE COMPANY?

 
Little dreaming: say Gibson asks $5M of Cakewalk (just a wild guess based on nothing).
500 SONAR users participate. Price/user: $10,000.
 
If deal is made, then we'd need to find new dev team (I bet Noel & other great guys already left the house), pay salaries, increase sales to make enough money... It would not be easy. :(
 
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 19:45:17 (permalink)
Yes, SergeQ, I fail to see the business behind the move.  Maybe a rebranding is under way, because the DAW itself is great. 
 
Maybe because a lot of the other companies are 'also ran' when it comes to DAW - Protools was originally hardware too, even after PC only 'native' DAWs were coming out and hardware became antiquated (never forgave them for that), Studio One comes from a hardware company, and so on, but Sonar is among the DAW companies that were software only, DAW only, and they entered right at the time PC tools were becoming feasible for MIDI studio work.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/11/22 19:52:33 (permalink)
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anxiousmofo
This Mixcraft spam from people with next to no posts is gauche, offputting and unappreciated.

Why? Here are many people with money, looking for the next DAW. I wish to see here Steinberg, Ableton, Presonus, Tracktion, Avid, etc. people with offers. But with GOOD offers, please
 
e-AudioProductions
WHY DONT WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND BUY THE COMPANY?

That idea, also spamed in several threads, is really unappreciated.
Ok, community has collected $1-5-10M and has bought Cakewalk... And? What you are going to do with it?


What do we do with it?
Pay the girls and boys who made Cakewalk and Sonar to make the best DAW in the world for 2020.
They do it best.  Most of us have beer money we can channel into it.
If we buy the company we buy the IP, and the engineers continue right where they were.
Then, with the best DAW in the world in 2020, product growth will keep us going.
Welcome to the music business world. 
 
 
 
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