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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/18 16:17:49
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/18 18:07:34
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Regards, John I want to make it clear that I am an Eedjit. I have no direct, or indirect, knowledge of business, the music industry, forum threads or the meaning of life. I know about amps. WIN 10 Pro X64, I7-3770k 16 gigs, ASUS Z77 pro, AMD 7950 3 gig, Steinberg UR44, A-Pro 500, Sonar Platinum, KRK Rokit 6
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/18 18:20:34
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anydmusic
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I wouldn't buy anything from Cakewalk or Gibson at this point.
There mas be some good deals on a Gibson in 2018 if they go under. Personally I might be tempted if there are but for me the current guitars they make are seriously over priced. At least a guitar does not need the same type of support as software.
Now for me its time to focus on making music and learning Cubase.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/19 01:19:52
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Brian Walton
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On the other hand, I want to get everything I've ever purchased onto my PC while it's still available. Just because they say the servers will still run means nothing, they could be shut off tomorrow.
I can't express my feelings about this. I'm mad at myself for doubling down on Sonar. I don't have the funds to recreate my software collection with another company. REALLY GLAD I overhauled my Teac 3440 on the weekend. IT still works great after almost 40 years.
Gibson is dead to me.
If the servers die you can't reinstall anything post X3 due to the change they made in the authorization process. It won't matter how many backups you have of the installers.
Glad I never bought anything after X3 . I never liked that paying for updates thing.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/19 10:06:58
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☄ Helpfulby karhide 2017/12/19 11:09:08
So you just wanted everything for free then?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/19 12:51:56
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i just wanted to buy the new program like I always did. 8.5 X1 X2 X3...
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/19 13:19:02
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Brian Walton
If the servers die you can't reinstall anything post X3 due to the change they made in the authorization process. It won't matter how many backups you have of the installers.
afaia this is not true of the steam-distributed versions, which will always be in your steam account
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/19 13:33:37
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jimmitch
i just wanted to buy the new program like I always did. 8.5 X1 X2 X3...
In a way that was the original (pre life time update) offer it just included the bonus of 12 updates.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/19 18:37:53
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OK. So I've been auditioning potential replacements for Sonar and I must say it's depressing. Seriously. I just want to cry. Mixbus: not even close to Sonar in usability or sophistication. Don't buy Mixbus without trying the demo first since they won't give you a refund. I found out the hard way. I own Studio One 2 Artist, looks nice, but I would have to buy a higher level of the program for it to use any of my VSTs. Reaper has potential, but I went to add BREVERB to a track and it said "BREVERB is only licensed to be used on Sonar". That will probably be the case with most of the Sonar plugs. Will I no longer be able to use Dimension, Rapture, SI-Bass, SI-Strings, Sonitus, BT, Meloetc.? Probably not. And I was just getting going with it since I retired and now have the time. This year I wrote and recorded four new songs and numerous gig recordings for the band I work with using all the great new tools in Sonar that will not be easy to replace! Folks, we are seriously F'ed! I'm considering quitting this wonderful hobby I've had for most of my life because it would be too much for me to start over. I may still look at Cubase and ProTools before deciding what to do. Cakewalk: this is the biggest disappointment I could have imagined.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/19 18:50:58
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daveny5
OK. So I've been auditioning potential replacements for Sonar and I must say it's depressing. Seriously. I just want to cry. Mixbus: not even close to Sonar in usability or sophistication. Don't buy Mixbus without trying the demo first since they won't give you a refund. I found out the hard way. I own Studio One 2 Artist, looks nice, but I would have to buy a higher level of the program for it to use any of my VSTs. Reaper has potential, but I went to add BREVERB to a track and it said "BREVERB is only licensed to be used on Sonar". That will probably be the case with most of the Sonar plugs. Will I no longer be able to use Dimension, Rapture, SI-Bass, SI-Strings, Sonitus, BT, Meloetc.? Probably not. And I was just getting going with it since I retired and now have the time. This year I wrote and recorded four new songs and numerous gig recordings for the band I work with using all the great new tools in Sonar that will not be easy to replace! Folks, we are seriously F'ed! I'm considering quitting this wonderful hobby I've had for most of my life because it would be too much for me to start over. I may still look at Cubase and ProTools before deciding what to do. Cakewalk: this is the biggest disappointment I could have imagined.
First you don't have to stop using Sonar if you don't want to it will probably keep working for some time. Second Overloud will give you a license to use Breverb outside of Sonar. Third quite a lot of the instruments you mentioned do work outside of Sonar. Last sorry but the only solution for Nomad is to buy the unlocked version.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/19 19:09:32
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I've just installed my steam version of Sonar on my new machine and I can't get it to authorise when I open Sonar, sounds like I am stuffed as I had contacted Cakewalk support and had been waiting 3 days for a reply. Now I know why I didn't get one.
I can only open Sonar in Demo mode!
If I had changed my pc 2 weeks ago I would probably have been ok
I am gutted.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/19 19:25:02
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I'm using sonar still. Probably It can be actual few years. Some people use sonar 8.5 still.
I tried studio one and I dislike their comping process and the program doesnt have musical notation and fret pane like has Sonar.
And I stoped on reaper. I have some songs for mixing and I do it in reaper and I so miss for pro channel and I like audio snap. Besides I can change display individual peaks on a track in Sonar. In another DAW I can do it only all traks
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/19 20:56:40
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It may work for years, however, all it would take is a change in Windows or the C++ runtime module, or a driver that affects Sonar and we're dead. Plus I have a Cakewalk UM-3G MIDI interface. Who knows how long that will be supported? There would be no one to fix it. Plus we have no support now so if you have a problem, you'll have to figure it out. And who knows how long this forum will be available to us to help each other.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/19 21:38:58
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Here's were we are at. I would guess that on this forum we are spit almost half and half between those who abandon and those who stay with Sonar. I think it's been a great come together for the community, keep our heads and share future plans. For those who are finding another DAW that works well or even better for them this was then a good thing to happen to you as it forced the move. For those of use who found all those other DAW just won't cut it until they mature a little more we are also happy to realize how great Sonar really is/was as a DAW. Things I've learned for all this. Sonar will run for another possible 10 years on a computer running Windows 7 or 8.1. There's a slim possability that it could also run on Windows 10 for a long while but we have too many examples of an update screwing things to trust a system running that OS. So if your going to stay using Sonar you should also think about abandoning W10. If you stay with W7 or 8.1 you aviod the update pitfall and much nothing will change until that computer dies of old age. This is what I'm doing with some of my computers. One I will still run W10 just to see.. We don't know for certain about future installs of Sonar because until Cakewalk re works the code for the new versions to include the old X3 and back type authorization we live in fear of the servers being turned off. We are fed rumours that Cakewalk is working on this and can only cross our fingers. I am optomistic that they will do this while they are still on the payroll and have the means to make it happen. We all run out and try other DAW's and most who used Sonar in a certain way discover quickly how it was the best DAW for us. This will not be everyone but for those of us who see it this way we have to just take up a plan of attack and carry on. I'm even will to return to X3e is all else fails. I found even Cubase was not as usefull to me as X3e can be. I too bought Mixbus for $30 and it is a disapointment mostly because it keeps crashing on me. I have had Cubase 5LE for a long time and bought Elements 7 last year on a whim and so I'm covered that way. The other DAW's including studio one are fine but are like going back to 8.5 to me.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/19 21:43:40
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daveny5
I own Studio One 2 Artist, looks nice, but I would have to buy a higher level of the program for it to use any of my VSTs.
I don't want to shill for Studio One, but honestly Studio One 3.5 brings a host of improvements over 2 that are really amazing. There's a fully functional demo available: https://www.presonus.com/products/studio-one/get-studio-one Strongly recommend downloading it and giving it a whirl. You will be amazed how fast it runs and how reliable it is. If you are using 32bit VSTs you'll need to setup JBridge as well, but I found the whole process smooth as a gravy sandwich. I got the 50% off black Friday offer, but I understand if you drop Presonus an email they are sympathetic to Sonar users and prepared to deal.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/19 21:50:21
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+1 for studio one - once you get going with it and realize that - no - you don't have to do everything the way SONAR does it ... and yeah - there are other plugs that are just as good or better than SONAR's .... and no, after working a while and getting used to new workflows, you really don't miss SONAR so much any more! And wow - - it does some things better .... or that SONAR doesn't do it all - imagine that!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/19 22:26:56
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☄ Helpfulby daveny5 2017/12/21 04:38:45
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/19 22:40:29
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☄ Helpfulby daveny5 2017/12/21 04:39:06
Daveny5: These Sonar plugs work on Reaper: the entire Sonitus series, except the basic EQ. The multiband EQ does work. Also, tube leveler and LP 64 compressor. But not the LP 64 EQ. TTS-1 may or not work. There are probably others that work, I just haven't tried them.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/19 23:04:33
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daveny5
OK. So I've been auditioning potential replacements for Sonar and I must say it's depressing. Seriously. I just want to cry. Mixbus: not even close to Sonar in usability or sophistication. Don't buy Mixbus without trying the demo first since they won't give you a refund. I found out the hard way. I own Studio One 2 Artist, looks nice, but I would have to buy a higher level of the program for it to use any of my VSTs. Reaper has potential, but I went to add BREVERB to a track and it said "BREVERB is only licensed to be used on Sonar". That will probably be the case with most of the Sonar plugs. Will I no longer be able to use Dimension, Rapture, SI-Bass, SI-Strings, Sonitus, BT, Meloetc.? Probably not. And I was just getting going with it since I retired and now have the time. This year I wrote and recorded four new songs and numerous gig recordings for the band I work with using all the great new tools in Sonar that will not be easy to replace! Folks, we are seriously F'ed! I'm considering quitting this wonderful hobby I've had for most of my life because it would be too much for me to start over. I may still look at Cubase and ProTools before deciding what to do. Cakewalk: this is the biggest disappointment I could have imagined. Give the Samplitude demo a try. It's a detailed program so there is some learning curve but a lot more like Sonar than Mixbus or Waveform and more fully featured than Reaper or Studio One. And check out the Overloud offer to unlock their plugins - I just opened Breverb and TH3 in Samplitude, and some of the Sonitus plugins work also (but sadly not the compressor  ). Several folks here have moved to Samplitude and the forums have plenty of folks offering help - at least give it a try before you throw in the towel. 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/20 00:34:25
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Serious question: Would it be foolish to still buy Sonar Professional if I can get a couple of productive years out of it?
It's the only interface I ever liked and I'm am finally going to buy it legitimately.
If I have a questionable version of a different product (like Sonar Producer 7), should I just use that until something hopefully moves positively forward with this interface?
Any feedback would be appreciated; i'm sure others would like to know
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/20 01:05:37
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e3do
Serious question: Would it be foolish to still buy Sonar Professional if I can get a couple of productive years out of it?
My honest answer? You would be stark raving mad to pay for Sonar right now. You have no guarantees for how long it will run, even though it will likely run for a while yet. Luckily, I don't think they are selling it anymore, so I don't think it's a choice you can make. e3do
If I have a questionable version of a different product (like Sonar Producer 7), should I just use that until something hopefully moves positively forward with this interface?
That's your best bet, but I think you would be better off yet moving on.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/20 02:44:10
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☄ Helpfulby jyoung60 2017/12/20 05:42:32
e3do
Serious question: Would it be foolish to still buy Sonar Professional if I can get a couple of productive years out of it?
It's the only interface I ever liked and I'm am finally going to buy it legitimately.
If I have a questionable version of a different product (like Sonar Producer 7), should I just use that until something hopefully moves positively forward with this interface?
Any feedback would be appreciated; i'm sure others would like to know
You'd be out of your mind to buy Sonar at this point. Consider yourself lucky that you didn't. But please, go and buy something legitimate. Dodgy licenses is part of the reason we are in this situation.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/20 16:08:42
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I'm considering quitting this wonderful hobby I've had for most of my life because it would be too much for me to start over. I may still look at Cubase and ProTools before deciding what to do. Cakewalk: this is the biggest disappointment I could have imagined."
Why don't you just continue to use Sonar? Has it disappeared or quit working?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/20 16:26:08
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TerraSin
Cakewalk needs to be sold, not closed. Closing down for any amount of time is a death sentence.
100% agree! This is such a colossal FU to its loyal base. It's like the CEO knows how important or impactful Sonar is to the market, but will not let it go under his watch. I've flirted with exploring other DAWs in the past but loved Cakewalk too much to do it. Why not sell to another company or at least Presonus and let your legacy live on through assimilation? The whole thing just doesn't make sense, especially after doing a subscription model and being so close to an Apple platform option. What they needed was to bolster their marketing and make a push. Dear Cakewalk (Gibson) Executive team: I realize you have an obligation to be profitable, but could you please not screw your loyal customers in the process?! I'm sure you could find a far better solution to keep Cakewalk from dry rotting/dying!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/20 17:15:23
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I can only speak for myself here. but im in my late 40's.
It seems Sonar itself was aimed at users in their later 30's and up.
I didn't see any youth joining Cakewalk as their main DAW. I watch a lot of You tube videos and just don't see the youth using Sonar. Im guessing the ratio is low. 15% youth to 85% older musicians/engineers/producers like myself.
I enjoyed Sonar very much and I still do but I think the downfall may have been targeting older customers and not injecting enough youth in to the program. And another negative would be not listening to its users enough but instead making major DAW choices by panel committee. How many times have we (as users) asked for features only to go on deaf ears until a year later when Cakewalk says; "That might be a good idea".
A great example would be color schemes. We asked for color schemes back in 2011. We only got a theme editor in 2016.
I saw a disconnect from its users and I still see that disconnect now as we are all patiently waiting for an off line authorization and we still haven't heard from Cakewalk in over 3 weeks. I understand legal matters, but its just ridicules.
I am still a huge Sonar Fanboy but even I know the difference between what it is... and what it isn't.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/20 17:56:04
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Just learned of this.
that'll teach me to not read my Cakewalk emails
OUCH!
Any news on the 'offline' authorisation?
I was just about to do hardware refresh on my DAW and will ned re-authorisation.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/20 17:59:37
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☄ Helpfulby Karyn 2017/12/20 18:45:09
Twigman
Any news on the 'offline' authorisation?
I was just about to do hardware refresh on my DAW and will ned re-authorisation.
The servers are still running. AFAIK the information in the FAQ is still valid. The activation process has not changed.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/20 18:47:20
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New to Sonar, only three months in and at almost 50yrs old, it's been hard work thus far to get my head around DAW.
Spent a wee fortune on a music recording set-up with a custom built Win10 PC. Focusrite Scarlet18i8 and Presonus monitors. Shure mics and decent cables. Even punted for the Editor Keys Sonar keyboard. I'd hooked up with an Indie studio and it runs off Sonar Platinum. I'd opted to go for Sonar Pro while I was at this learning stage and just starting out with self recording. Not sure what the future holds, but I'm sticking with Sonar for the time being. Hopefully the servers are secured and kept online. It's not cheap with all the plugins etc I've invested in also, so if Sonar goes down on my system, it will be a huge disappointment.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/20 19:32:08
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chuckebaby
I enjoyed Sonar very much and I still do but I think the downfall may have been targeting older customers and not injecting enough youth in to the program.
I think they actually did a fair amount of work over time to target a newer audience, but it was a pretty tough nut to crack. And I remember times when plenty of users were complaining that they were headed in that direction. Groove clips, Matrix, step sequencer, new cross-platform synths, Brandon and Seth Webcasts. They probably got a small boost from all that, but not enough. I'm guessing one of CW's biggest problems was that not enough existing customers were upgrading. Even now you can see a lot of posts from people who are using an older version and are gutted by the news. ;-) Times are changing.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/21 01:03:49
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Found out last night, bummed out could hardly sleep. I have been using Cakewalk products for so very very long, decades. DAW has been in hibernation for months due to some work going on it the house, that finished so I cranked her up, went to cakewalk.com and bam got a smack right in the kisser.
The Cakewalk team was awesome, I enjoyed the product, the forums (lurking, lurking). I wish everyone the best, hopefully someone will purchase the intellectual property (come on cakewalk employees) and Sonar will be back. I am going to give Studio One a try, I suck at recording anyway so it shouldn't matter that much :)
Good luck, happy holidays!
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