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Helped my good friend set up Studio One today; he's used Sonar from around version 4, with X1 the last version he's been on. He got on the crossgrade deal mainly to explore the CD Mastering environment.
 
Anyway, let me just say: it made me happy to be using Sonar, although the mastering thing IS very convenient. I will have to look into it more, but I couldn't even set up 'friendly' names for audio ins/outs, which at my buddy's place with 40 audio in sources is very unpleasant. The GUI is very 'loud' if that makes sense; too much info..... will have to explore.....

Of course you can. Just because you don't know how to use something doesn't mean it can't do it. Don't confuse ignorance with fact. I been using Studio One since v3 came out, there is no way in hell I'd ever go back to SONAR even if it wasn't dead in the water.
 

Well sir, then why don't you tell me how to do it and help someone instead of being snide? BTW, I said "I couldn't" not "it can't be done"! But anyways, I just tried to find out but can't find any info on it, and I don't mean setting up templates and all of that, but actually giving friendly names to the ins and outs like Sonar so wonderfully supports so any NEW project or template you make allows you to choose from those names and not the standard one supplied by the hardware.
 
R

It's scary that guys buy a company the size of Cakewalk a company that has over 30 years of life and just shut the doors rather than sell. I can't understand what these people want? Sell it and let the guys move on, they're destroying the studio structure of several people.
 
As for me, I would love Cubase but I found it too expensive for me. That end of Cakewalk broke me I spent a lot of money with plug-ins etc. This time I go to a DAW that is just growing and getting more and more customers and earning almost all and poll I see. I'll invest in FL Studio, simply because it's a DAW that runs on the outside, innovates, and has nothing to do with Sonar. The guys have the way to do things the way they do, and really liked the prices and the plug-ins they offer. I was able to associate quickly with the DAW and it is quite powerful, modern and always evolving in stride. But I will continue using my beloved Sonar Platinum, I have an album to finish and I will finish it and maybe a couple of tracks I will do already in FL. For those who do not know the Reaper is also great, easy and without headaches. Studio One I'm going to use it again let's see if I like it again, I don't know I'm going to invest money.
 
As far as that's concerned, this disgusting Gibson doesn't sell Cake to a real company! I haven't lost hope yet.

With almost 1,000 recordings & 27 years on cakewalk I don't even know how to begin saving everything I've done to make it portable. I can only say that Gibson will never recover from this in my eyes.

PVAudio
I do wonder what will happen to TASCAM and KRK.  I have had excellent experience with both brands over the years, and still use a KRK sub in my studio.  At least there are many other good brands out there, so if Gibson wants to auger in, no wuckers!  Except if you thought you'd use Sonar for another twenty years!  

You do have to wonder, since Gibson is proclaiming they are restructuring for "Consumer Electronics" and TASCAM is aimed more to ProSumer and Professionals.  Like Cakewalk was. And As KRK are.

I think sensible people will stay where they are. I still have a 10-12 year old dinosaur machine running SONAR 8.5 PE on Win XPee which shows no signs of falling apart, however truth be told it's rather slow and cumbersome by comparison..
 
The fact is simply, we have no facts on the fate of future SONAR development based on Gibson's cloak of secrecy.
 Personally, with all the built in tools, bells, and whistles already developed and incorporated into SONAR, I can't honestly see how Cakewalk could even make it better, more stable, and more powerful then it already is.
 
Another fact is conspiracy theories built on mere assumptions are only going to push us farther off course of reaching our goals.
 Switching over and starting over with all the hurtles of a new learning curve required to use and actually understand another DAW with any fluidity and ease of familiarity could honestly take decades.
 That just seems like an ENORMOUS waste of time to me which could be dedicated to making music
 
 And there is NOTHING to suggest that the latest version of what ever Cakewalk software you are currently using won't still be up and running providing you with the tools you need and are used to working with.
 
 I'd also like to point out that in the past year that MAGIX bought out SONY software, and literally buried ACID, Sound Forge, and Vegas so deep in the bowels of their servers that you can't even pump air into them..
 I gave up jumping thru hoops trying to even find out how much an upgrade from Vegas Pro 11 to VP 14 would cost.. After surfing thru page after page on the MAGIX website, all directing my attention towards MAGIX's wonderful world of NLE's for video editing, I finally got to a page with an email address informing me to manually COPY & PASTE the email addy into my personal email client and write them a personal email for a request for a special upgrade price.. VERY special price indeed, like x3 what Sony used to charge.
But no matter, as it turns out VP 11 works great (as does all previous versions of Vegas, ACID, and Sound Forge do on Windows 10) and so I saved myself several hundred dollars and only thing I've noticed different about VP 14 is a shinier new grill on the GUI..
 I'd also like to point out although MAGIX flatly refuses to support any and all but the most current versions of their software.
 
Since day one starting from the earliest days of development from the original creators Sonic Foundry, Vegas, ACID, and Sound Forge always required on line activation after installing to unlock them.
 And even though MAGIX refuses to support them, they don't refuse on line activation, and I couldn't possibly assume or even entertain the thought that Gibson would either.
 Not because they are a bunch of nice guys, or aren't for that matter, because it's would be an open blatant breech of contract. IT'S AGAINST THE LAW.
 
Couple more things to consider while morning the closing of the Cakewalk Store, you can still purchase it from on line retailers like Sweetwater.
 You could also still purchase a brand new license for ACID Pro 7 which hasn't been in development for over a decade now, not because it was obsolete, because Sony couldn't find any realistic way to improve upon it!
 
 So if I'm going to assume anything, I will be assuming Gibson could very possibly feel the same way about spending millions on SONAR development and could very possibly feel that OVER developing SONAR is very much on par the same as over cooking a mouth watering juicy steak into a dried out chunk of old shoe..

Au revoir, mon ami. 
I guess I'm one of the dinosaur users that doomed the DAW; user since the DOS days.
I've enjoyed watching the software evolve. It has been very good to me, save for that rough patch with X1, and even that seemed to be addressed pretty quickly.
I hate to see so much development go the way of the dodo, as well as a good bit of content. Reminds me of my Alchemy synth purchase. Enjoyed for a few months then poof! Consumed by Apple. In the case of Cakewalk, had a much longer run...
I was surprised to hear that Gibson was so deep in the hole, as well as the reddit comments regarding some less-than-stellar moves by Cake management. Woulda coulda shoulda... water over the dam at this juncture.
I installed the Studio One trial and in very short order was making sounds without consulting a manual. I'm sure it will take some getting used to and some time to come to grips with the new approach.
I'm hoping that the German Studio One team does not go the way of Cakewalk, bouncing from owner to owner until it's bounced into the bin. Gives one pause. Can't predict the future. Maybe a few key bakers can get on the Presonus team?
It's a cutthroat world with lots of competition.
I wish peace to the bakers and offer my thanks to the Sonar community for being so helpful over the years.
 
Jack

I see MAGIX mentioned as another company that has 'trashed' some good software, and my experience with them has not been good (or even acceptable). I guess some companies have a death-wish and hope to disintegrate.  Too bad they end up hurting their customers. 
 
REAPER on the other hand has a vibrant user community, listens to inputs and updates each major version an average of 60-70 times!  In my experience I've never run into a bug, but some people with certain configurations have found a few.  The developers also add rather major enhancements in minor version updates on occasion.  I noticed that the Slant Community rates REAPER #2 and Sonar #9 in their Audio section on DAWs, and as a 'con' for Sonar they even note that Gibson is almost bankrupt.  They also correctly point out the steep learning curve of Sonar (after 21+ years of Cakewalk/Sonar use I still had to often hit the manual) and the extremely efficient coding in REAPER (the full install .exe for the 64 bit Windows version is less than 12 MB). One limitation of REAPER MIDI that has been brought up in the past was lack of a notation editor - this has been added in version 5 (I prefer to edit MIDI in a piano-roll editor myself). 
 
I also saw "Switching over and starting over with all the hurtles of a new learning curve required to use and actually understand another DAW with any fluidity and ease of familiarity could honestly take decades."  Certainly true for Sonar, but I found REAPER, as I mentioned, pretty intuitive, and so vastly flexible that I can't ever see using another DAW (though I do use a dedicated system for mastering, which should be a totally separate procedure anyway).
 
There is an updated 2017 SONAR to REAPER Quickstart Guiude (A Transition Guide for Cross-Graders) by Geoffrey Francis which can get you quickly REAPing ( ) and you can freely download the latest manual (also revised in December 1027) and even REAPER itself at the Cockos website.  BTW, I am not affiliated with Cockos in any way other than a frequent (daily!) user.  It's a corker of a DAW, just works and works, and vastly flexible. 
 
Whatever route you choose, sticking with Sonar and de-Internetting your computer (my audio systems are never online, never have been, work day in and day out with no glitches, never need virus/trojan fixes, never get those 'updates' that cause more problems than they solve, etc., etc.) or moving to another DAW, have an ace time with your music!   

I just got studio one 3 professional crossgrade for 149.99. from X3. I'm just getting into it and I think it's a winner.  I think that was great of them to give that price for a old program . I'm not sure if  Cubbase will give anything off from X3. 

Very disappointed too ...
 
I made my update on October 24 and no one informed me about it !

I used for some Addictive drums 2 and it does not work anymore ...

The first plug in can be ?

I downloaded pro tools first to try but I do not have the partition and I work a lot with so I do not know too much ...

deswind
If every scatters to different DAWS, this will diminish the possibility of Sonar influences in the various DAWs. 
If everyone went to Cubase, perhaps there could be some influence on that program.
 
Just a thought.

I don't get the vibe that Steinberg connects with users unless the users are in the Pro markets. The vibe I get from them is very AVID.

disdisley
Hi 
my subscription runs out next month and i was just about to renew it
have a collection of many plugins and so on that help me with my work 
will you be giving me a refund on any of these products now that i can not use sonar pro ???
i do not have the funds to rebuild with another software let alone learn it all over again

I think you should be able to use it indefinitely for free now that you own it. CW never went the subscription route. It's a payment plan to own the product. I plan to use Sonar Pro for a while longer because it takes me a long time to get savvy/comfortable with how other DAW's work. Even Studio One 3 requires a bigger learning curve than Sonar did. Plus, I can't get past their color scheme and 2D GUI.

flamion
Very disappointed too ...
 
I made my update on October 24 and no one informed me about it !

I used for some Addictive drums 2 and it does not work anymore ...

The first plug in can be ?

I downloaded pro tools first to try but I do not have the partition and I work a lot with so I do not know too much ...

Addictive Drums may need reauthorising following a Windows update it is not tied to Sonar and will work in other DAWs.

i've only just found out 
why was we not informed ????
who will refund my purchases for plug ins and so on i've brought over the last month ?
and now i can not upgrade 
this is criminal scamming