Veets
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/22 17:49:45
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Jarsve im on studio one now
Hi, I will look into it as well, how do you like it? How does it compare to Sonar?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/22 17:56:13
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Since I started using online downloads from Cakewalk it was worth it to me to save those downloads. Computers, internet and window upgrades can be fickle as alekxv projected. I have been doing exactly what alekxv mentioned for my music construction with a computer not associated with the internet..PERIOD! I only run my music software EXCLUSIVELY!! And to add...I have an old computer running X2, X1, Sonar 1 and Twelve Tone using XP for several years with no problem. I have found the need to go back to the old software original compositions for certain reconstructions of that original composition. I plan on taking Sonar to the grave with me....so I'm in for the long haul. With or without upgrades (bells, whistles etc). In the end...we all know how business works whether we agree with it or not. It's business and companies will not stay afloat without making $$$$. I do commend the staff and administrators. They have responded and righted my software problems on numerous occasions with immediate follow-up. Thanks and good luck!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 00:20:21
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Thanks for the information about that offer from magix samplitude...I never used another daw than sonar, so I really had problems to find into other daws.Tried reaper...not the first choice, than I purchased studio one but at least don´t like it, have no idea why so many said, it would be the most simular to sonar...maybe I am too stupid, or it just has to do with the way the people work. Found at samplitude exact the things I liked at splat: Transient detection-audio quantization-audio to midi...ara integration of melodyne, comping, riple... for 149$ a great offer...Thanks a lot
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 02:28:40
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I don't think if another investor took over Cakewalk Sonar they could be held to the free updates for life that was promised by the former owner.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 03:47:58
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Saddened to say the least. I wish the best for all the employees and thanks for the musical goodies. After 25 years with this sequencer, now recorder - learning another product. But I will squeeze a couple years out of this one yet!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 05:10:48
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Agreed. And it is for the best. The new owner needs to be able to pay staff, work on updates, etc. daveny5 I don't think if another investor took over Cakewalk Sonar they could be held to the free updates for life that was promised by the former owner.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 09:31:29
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smallstonefan I think you will see the product resurrected, but my guess is they needed "Cakewalk the company" to die first. No one would buy a company that had free lifetime updates committed to people - that's an obligation in place of a revenue stream. My prediction is they kill the company and it's obligations/baggage, then sell the product in an asset sale to someone else. I run a decent-sized software company - I always had this little fantasy of running Cakewalk once I sold mine; I thought that would be fun! :) My best to the devs...
I think it unlikely anyone will be willing to pick up Sonar to re-release it. Pro-Tools has the professional market sewn up and I expect a package as large as Sonar will be nearly impossible to put into a market that is already overcrowded. That makes me sad. I have nearly three decades of experience with the product line and company.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 14:09:30
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SandlinJohn
smallstonefan ... My prediction is they kill the company and it's obligations/baggage, then sell the product in an asset sale to someone else. I run a decent-sized software company - I always had this little fantasy of running Cakewalk once I sold mine; I thought that would be fun! :) My best to the devs...
I think it unlikely anyone will be willing to pick up Sonar to re-release it. Pro-Tools has the professional market sewn up and I expect a package as large as Sonar will be nearly impossible to put into a market that is already overcrowded.
That makes me sad. I have nearly three decades of experience with the product line and company.
The big question for any new owner is where would Sonar Phoenix sit in the market. You cannot ignore the fact that in the last month Sonar will have slipped a few places in the rankings and attracting back those of us who have started working with one of the alternatives will be hard especially given that it will probably be a few more months before they have something to offer.
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Marek Smok Rajss
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 16:19:25
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How do you buy the latest version of Sonar Platinum? How can I upgrade my version to the latest one?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 17:03:19
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Marek Smok Rajss How do you buy the latest version of Sonar Platinum? How can I upgrade my version to the latest one?
You cant. The cakewalk store is closed for good.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 17:24:24
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SandlinJohn
smallstonefan ... My prediction is they kill the company and it's obligations/baggage, then sell the product in an asset sale to someone else. I run a decent-sized software company - I always had this little fantasy of running Cakewalk once I sold mine; I thought that would be fun! :) My best to the devs...
I think it unlikely anyone will be willing to pick up Sonar to re-release it. Pro-Tools has the professional market sewn up and I expect a package as large as Sonar will be nearly impossible to put into a market that is already overcrowded.
That makes me sad. I have nearly three decades of experience with the product line and company.
The big question for any new owner is where would Sonar Phoenix sit in the market. You cannot ignore the fact that in the last month Sonar will have slipped a few places in the rankings and attracting back those of us who have started working with one of the alternatives will be hard especially given that it will probably be a few more months before they have something to offer.
It would sit exactly where it was and likely lower. The same issues that crippled Sonar would still exist
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Marek Smok Rajss
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 17:33:34
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☄ Helpfulby ttoz 2017/12/25 13:58:21
That's very bad. I can not update. I have Sonar for years and I feel cheated.
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Veets
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 17:34:49
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I am curious if another investor does take over but starts from scratch, maybe keeping a few similarities that we are familiar with, give it a new name, etc., would any of you stay? I agree with those of you that said any new owner would not honor lifetime updates. I don't think they have to, contractually. When I first purchased the lifetime updates, I checked the Help screen where it shows you your license number, and it had a year like something to 2099 it was like 80 some years out into the future. I laughed when I saw that. Anyway, I think a new investor might possibly offer some sort of discount but I wouldn't expect one. However, if a new version of what we know were to be released under a new company, I would say that at that point, I would have to evaluate it as any other DAW that I am looking into now. All we can do is hope right? I am still using Sonar, Mixcraft 8 is my backup. I used it last week, and it's ok. Sonar outshines it.
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anydmusic
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 17:42:42
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Marek Smok Rajss That's very bad. I can not update. I have Sonar for years and I feel cheated.
You will be much better off using the money for one of the cross grade offers upgrading makes no sense now and there are a lot of people who have upgraded recently who with that they had not.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 18:07:37
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anydmusic
Marek Smok Rajss That's very bad. I can not update. I have Sonar for years and I feel cheated.
You will be much better off using the money for one of the cross grade offers upgrading makes no sense now and there are a lot of people who have upgraded recently who with that they had not.
Have to agree with this. MOTU DP9.5, Presonus SO3, Samplitude X3, Cubase 9.5, Tracktion Waveform, Mixcraft8 are having crossgrade sales at the moment. I took the Samplitude X3 deal just for the Soundforge and Spectral Layer deal. Still debating on one more. Plus there is always Reaper for the discounted license of only $60.00 that has been on going for years :)
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 18:11:37
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alekxv I have been reading this forum for a considerable time and like some of you I was also surprised by the news. I was a 2.0 version user when very few of the computer media understood MIDI and sequencers (or what they were for) and gradually I went to Bars and Pipes (for me, the best MIDI-only sequencer that has ever existed.) Came back to Cakewalk when he released his version 6 of Sonar and I have stayed there until now. It does not make sense to delve into the reasons for a decision that is clearly lapidary for both Cakewalk and Gibson. Lately, Gibson was known more for his involvement with Cakewalk than for anything else. What we must do is accept that reality and ask Cakewalk and / or Gibson to at least have the decency and consideration (they owe it to us) to clarify several points that are listed below in order of importance:
- How we do to download all our products (either by Command Center or directly from the site) and activate them offline.
- How long will the servers be working online to perform the previous operation (taking into account that the demand will be huge and the time span must be broad enough for us to download all the software.
- How can we continue to use the plugins of other companies (Overloud, XLN, Melodyne, TruePianos, etc.) within Sonar.
- What will happen with the partial payments and under what conditions the refunds operate?
- Optionally, what is the future of Cakewalk, because for Gibson's I see it very clearly ...
And for us, users, only have to take one of two paths
- If the time you have invested in mastering the tool has been such that your productivity is second to none. If you have come to realize you need another 2 DAWs to do what you do with Sonar. If your workflow is very attached to Sonar and you know every trick and skill of the program and all or most of its keyboard shortcuts, then by all means you must build for yourself a Sonar-Hardware DAW. Have a computer (preferably desktop) with the latest hardware, install all Cakewalk packages (32 and 64 bits) that you bought (whether you think you need it or not) of the version you will use, update the drivers to the latest possible functional version, install all the plugins you work with most of the time and the additional utilities you use to complete your workstation and test the system. If it supports all the tests without a glimse of error, if you feel is running smoothly and the latency is good enough, it is time to disconnect it from the Internet and forget about the windows updates for life. Also, if you want, you can uninstall the antivurus completely.
Think on this machine as if it were your venerable Moog or your Korg M1 or your Motif or your DX7 but on steroids. Of course, with time it will show its age but it will be a machine that will not give you any problems for many years and will be as reliable as a solid rock where you can realize your most ambitious projects. I speak from experience. I have a computer with XP service pack 3. Is it already old?, yes. Is part of the software accusing its age?, you bet. Is still working as it did 12 years ago, of course. Is reliable as a rock, without a doubt. - If on the contrary, you are at the crossroads of deciding whether to change DAW or continue with Sonar, I suggest you change. Forget what Sonar was for you and use your time you will be mourning the Sonar's fate, learning a new program or programs and using the plugins with the hardware you have. I think the combination Ableton Live and Studio One 3 or Ableton Live and Samplitude X3 suite can be the best options when replacing Sonar.
It will undoubtedly be a difficult decision and I am sorry for all the developers who dedicated their lives and time to making this application one, if not the best, of its kind. The specialization that is required to make the software talk to the hardware through an operating system that is constantly evolving, is not easy task and yet I believe that the Cakewalk team managed to tame a beast as fickle as Windows is. My 2 cents.
In terms of the future of Cakewalk, as it stands there is no future for Cakewalk. Gibson has closed them down. They are gone. Someone here recently posted financial info, and it seems Cakewalk has been losing money for years. Gibson is financially stressed and can't afford to keep a loss-making subsidiary open. It's sad, but it's a harsh reality of business that a company can only lose money for so long before it's no longer viable. With Gibson's own financial issues ongoing, they had no choice but to pull the plug on Cakewalk. In terms of needing 2 DAWs to do what we've done with SONAR, frankly that's nonsense. SONAR is a very capable DAW with lots of goodied bundled in, but pretty much every other DAW out there is equally capable. Of course, there's always the barrier of needing to learn new software, but that just means an investment of time to get to grips with something else if you choose to go with something else.
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dubdisciple
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 18:27:30
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Marek Smok Rajss That's very bad. I can not update. I have Sonar for years and I feel cheated.
Unless you JUST recently purchased sonar and/or it is currently not working ,you were not cheated. you simply got what you paid for. My sonar works fine and I have a frankensteined version that is part paid, part beta . If my messy pile of unfinished code works, then most should work fine for years to come.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 20:04:29
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dubdisciple
Marek Smok Rajss That's very bad. I can not update. I have Sonar for years and I feel cheated.
Unless you JUST recently purchased sonar and/or it is currently not working ,you were not cheated. you simply got what you paid for. My sonar works fine and I have a frankensteined version that is part paid, part beta . If my messy pile of unfinished code works, then most should work fine for years to come.
I beg to differ. I purchased a lifetime upgrade service. I'm still alive.
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kevmsmith81
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 20:49:31
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dubdisciple
Marek Smok Rajss That's very bad. I can not update. I have Sonar for years and I feel cheated.
Unless you JUST recently purchased sonar and/or it is currently not working ,you were not cheated. you simply got what you paid for. My sonar works fine and I have a frankensteined version that is part paid, part beta . If my messy pile of unfinished code works, then most should work fine for years to come.
I beg to differ. I purchased a lifetime upgrade service. I'm still alive.
You may be. Cakewalk is not.
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dubdisciple
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 20:49:41
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dubdisciple
Marek Smok Rajss That's very bad. I can not update. I have Sonar for years and I feel cheated.
Unless you JUST recently purchased sonar and/or it is currently not working ,you were not cheated. you simply got what you paid for. My sonar works fine and I have a frankensteined version that is part paid, part beta . If my messy pile of unfinished code works, then most should work fine for years to come.
I beg to differ. I purchased a lifetime upgrade service. I'm still alive.
and my unbreakable comb broke. my one size fit all doesn't fit. If you somehow believed a company could guarantee itself perpetual existence, i have magic beans to sell you. One doesn't need to read the fine print to deduce that obviously becomes null and void if the company goes under. Hell, technically that offer you jumped on didn't even guarantee a rate or schedule of updates.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 21:19:33
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Reading this thread, it seems there are users that just found out about "the news" as late as yesterday. Mostly because they don't visit this forum on a regular basis. In a previous post I commented that Cakewalk (meaning the few people left still working there) need to have a mailing list of all it's users, and that they should have informed all the users about the "bad news" via email notification. And also to inform users in the future of any new developments (forum/servers shutting down, a way to reauthorize offline, etc.) by email.
A couple of people chastised me (or were just plain rude), telling me that an email list to contact Sonar users was a stupid idea. Well, I got news for you, it's not a stupid idea, as we have seen some users just found out, and I'm sure many users still don't even know that Cakewalk has ceased development and sales.
Not everyone comes to this forum or are on social media. They might just have the CCC connected to the Internet, and one day they realized they stopped receiving updates, with no explanation given. I'm sure those people would appreciate an email notification of what's going on....just like I don't appreciate having my suggestion for an email list being called stupid. And yes, I'm sure that some people have changed email addresses since first purchasing Sonar, and there's nothing Cakewalk can do about that. But at the very least they should have tried to contact their customers to let them know about what's going on.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 21:25:39
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Lee - you are correct. And there is a lot of buying power with that complete email list. Perhaps it could be used to go to another company so that that they can make an offer to Gibson. Gibson has a lot to gain here - some money from another company as well as some benefit to their reputation.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 21:37:29
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The financial situation with Cakewalk is what I feared around X1 - there isn’t enough revenue to keep the company alive. About the time Roland bought the company, revenues were $14 million a year. That sounds like a lot but it’s not enough to support 100 people. Software is a complex product to develop, support, market and sell. If your sales are not headed for at least $100 million, you can’t get funding. At least that was the number in 1995 when I did a software IPO. https://www.roland.com/Ro.../pdf/2013/20130924.pdfNow with mobile apps, the number is much higher. Since Roland’s purchase, sales declined to $6 million with almost a $1 million loss 2012. They call that the walking dead at investment banks. We can only guess how low the sales got and how high the losses were last year. Ouch! Like the song says, you gotta know when to hold em and know when to fold em.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 23:34:22
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smallstonefan I think you will see the product resurrected, but my guess is they needed "Cakewalk the company" to die first. No one would buy a company that had free lifetime updates committed to people - that's an obligation in place of a revenue stream.
I'd really like to believe that would happen, but I think it will be a pretty hard sell. There's no shortage of work for competent programmers these days, so I'm guessing that with the exception of a couple of people who agreed to stay on for a short time that most of the developers are gone. So you would have to convince a buyer and a new team of developers to come in to work on a product that hasn't made money in some time, in a space with lots of established competition. I've been a long time SONAR user, paid for every upgrade and the lifetime deal, but I wouldn't spend my money to resurrect it at this point.
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Marek Smok Rajss
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/23 23:56:58
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For a good image, the company should provide free updates for registered customers.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/24 01:13:43
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CoteRotie
smallstonefan I think you will see the product resurrected, but my guess is they needed "Cakewalk the company" to die first. No one would buy a company that had free lifetime updates committed to people - that's an obligation in place of a revenue stream.
I'd really like to believe that would happen, but I think it will be a pretty hard sell. There's no shortage of work for competent programmers these days, so I'm guessing that with the exception of a couple of people who agreed to stay on for a short time that most of the developers are gone. So you would have to convince a buyer and a new team of developers to come in to work on a product that hasn't made money in some time, in a space with lots of established competition. I've been a long time SONAR user, paid for every upgrade and the lifetime deal, but I wouldn't spend my money to resurrect it at this point.
I've been thinking killing Cakewalk was a necessary evil all along. It needs to be resurrected in a healthier environment. Concerning someone buying the company. Almost anything can be sold if the price is right.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/24 04:13:57
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Sorry if it's been said or covered, I seem to be unable to find this in search: Is there any chance it would be open sourced? If it really falls all the way apart and there is no asset purchase, I would hope someone would push Gibson to open source it and throw it up on github. Some of the original devs and a community of others could potentially keep hacking on it and possibly even get the port to OSX happening.
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SandlinJohn
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/24 05:45:53
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groove Sorry if it's been said or covered, I seem to be unable to find this in search: Is there any chance it would be open sourced? If it really falls all the way apart and there is no asset purchase, I would hope someone would push Gibson to open source it and throw it up on github. Some of the original devs and a community of others could potentially keep hacking on it and possibly even get the port to OSX happening.
The discussion around this in various places convinced me this will not happen, though I thought that would be great when I first heard Gibson had killed the company. But someone pointed out that software of the magnitude of SONAR probably had licensed code from other sources - and that code cannot be open sourced without the Open Source community paying for those licenses - or rebuilding the code so that it doesn't need the licenses. It would be a cool thing, but I think that Gibson has other plans for the Intellectual Property that SONAR represents.
Sonar Platinum, Windows 7 Pro 64 bit, Intel NUC micro-workstation with 5th Gen Intel i5-5250U, 16 GB RAM and 1.25 TB Storage, Yamaha MG10XU Mixer USB Interface, Yamaha HPH-MT8 Monitor Headphones, Yamaha MX-49 controller synth
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/24 12:55:16
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☄ Helpfulby ttoz 2018/01/04 18:54:08
I only read this announcement now, on Christmas Eve 2017 and it feels like all saints day when you remember your deceased rather than Christmas. I only hope some decent company will buy the rights to the software and the development will continue. All the best to you, wonderful people of late Cakewalk.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
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I came to cake from Cubase. They recruited me. It has been a long and fruitful existence. Gibson needs to re shuffle the deck to boost some of the good things they now have. The electric guitars are geared towards quality recording. Titanium saddles, enhanced playability, fretboards, tuners and improved caps and pick ups that ping out with my version of Sonar. I am currently buying certain guitars from Gibson that will increase in value in the future. However we must realize that the software issues get cleared up by adding an APC pro 1500. Perhaps what they need is me.
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