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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/24 16:07:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby backwoods 2017/12/27 08:59:46
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/24 18:52:23 (permalink)
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/24 20:09:13 (permalink)
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/25 00:25:10 (permalink)
Well I guess that screws a lot of us. I have used cakewalk for a really long time and did every upgrade for the last several years since Sonar came out. I guess when you pay for lifetime membership the red flag should have been raised. I wondered how it would work if we would get hammered on the instruments and effects but instead just take our money and leave us all hanging. I am very disappointed and have no idea what to switch to. Cakewalk is the only program I have ever used. Software experts are we going to be able to run Sonar for a while? What do you plan on switching to?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/25 07:03:54 (permalink)
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Well I guess that screws a lot of us. I have used cakewalk for a really long time and did every upgrade for the last several years since Sonar came out. I guess when you pay for lifetime membership the red flag should have been raised. I wondered how it would work if we would get hammered on the instruments and effects but instead just take our money and leave us all hanging. I am very disappointed and have no idea what to switch to. Cakewalk is the only program I have ever used. Software experts are we going to be able to run Sonar for a while? What do you plan on switching to?



The crazy thing is "Lifetime Updates" was not unique to SONAR. FL Studio has pay once, get a life time of updates. I think they always have.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/25 14:16:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Steev 2017/12/28 12:17:50
I'm sorry but I just don't get the bit of not letting those who WANT to, buy the last upgrade and have access to it, so they can always have what may possibly be the last version of Sonar ever made.
 
 
All sorts of companies do it, they simply put a disclaimer that it's sold as is and there will be no future updates. 
 
The auth server is up, so it's certainly not about webspace costs. It's SUCH an FU and *THIS* part of it is typical Gibson.
 
I have been checking the software out even more lately and it's an amazing daw.. and no it's not just that easy to move to 'reaper', which works entirely differently even with the best third party gui installed. Reaper is very confusing to look at. None of the skins are clear when parts are selected, tracks are selected, etc.. just that most basic fundamental task makes it hard for me to understand how anyone uses reaper. The selected colours look so normal that I always forget in seconds which tracks were selected and which were at their normal colour. I tried 20 skins. 
 
Also, i have never see software with that many ridiculous options. Sonar is/was streamlined, i remember that when I used X2, and the latest version is just better.
 
I would take Sonar's gui 100x over ANY reaper gui. Or S1 for that matter.. S1 has SO much info when the side panes are open, that the only way to have the darn thing look clean is to keep only the arrange page visible. Why can motu and apple do it but not Presonus? I own S1 as i was a beta tester and as able to upgrade to V3 recently with BF sale for peanuts, and it was worth it for the DDP project page.. For THAT, it's fairly straightforward.
 
And it IS an easy daw to learn but my eyes literally flicker and water when looking at it in song mode, and that was only on an 8 track project!
 
Sonar had it's gui **** together.
 
I use PT and to me it's by far the best gui in the history of DAWs.. i can look at it all day without any eye strain. I just tried it out on my windows laptop from 2012, an ivy bridge 2.3 ghz that was like 600 bucks, and it runs rings performance wise around my top of the line (from 2015) macbook pro with 2.8 quad. pro tools on windows is great and super easy, and I recommend those who are already ready to jump ship, to give it a try.. You will also appreciate the way you can have midi and audio of same track side by side like sonar, rather than only instrument tracks like say Logic. Once you have done your midi you literally just drag and drop the clip to an audio track and it's rendered in seconds. It's awesome.
Like I said elsewhere, any question on PT, please feel free to ask, i can answer whatever..
 
BUT, those who are not ready to give up on Sonar just yet.. what's wrong with that? Heck, if i had managed to get the last version and loved it, and that was my main DAW, i would stay on it for 5 years minimum.
 
I stayed with logic platinum 5.5.1 on windows until 2008! Years after apple stopped the win version. A DAW just doesn't suddenly stop working. In Logic's case though, it could only properly work with 1GB ram and didn't have proper multithreading at all. So i had to move on.
 
I have extensively checked out Sonar the last couple months as a dongle free DAW to have on my win laptop when i am on the go, and like i said in another topic here, i was ready to buy it and totally shocked to find the news.
 
It does *everything* as it stands. What could they possibly add to it? Microsoft will not break it with windows updates, unlike apple who break mac os non stop, so why not just use it?
 
is your music going to somehow sound not as good because there won't be more Sonar updates? Has the audio engine changed suddenly? lol.
If what you are worried about is big fixes, and if you have showstoppers, then that's a legitimate concern, of course.
At the same time, i saw a lot of people here whose posts 4 weeks ago indicated they'd do anything to keep Sonar alive, and now the same people say the ship has sailed. Why? It was NOT cakewalk who were in charge of the shutdown, THAT part is on Gibson.. 
 
I for one hope it's sold off, and prospers, I really do. I will always have a soft spot in my heart for Sonar. In fact, when I was on V2, I used it for one project then logic for the next and so on, alternating, I was telling pro tools users how cool it was. Many years ago.
 
If it is working for you and is fairly stable, then simply enjoy it and use it for years to come is what I say! 
As far as features, it is pretty much more feature packed than well, any DAW.. it does everything.
If i had a choice of using Sonar as it is now in 10 years or reaper, i would still choose Sonar.
But that maybe just me.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/25 19:42:17 (permalink)
Dégouté!!! J'espère que Cakewalk va perdurer et trouver une repreneur. J'utilise ce logiciel depuis au moins 20 ans, j'ai réalisé l'album de mon groupe avec Cakewalk.
Faite un crow funding, on rachète l'entreprise.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/26 01:38:08 (permalink)
It sucks. I have been using Music Creator 6, then Music Creator 7. Was able to try Sonar Home Studio and read this news. I can't even buy it now. I can only hope that some other company will buy it and continue its sales and development.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/26 06:25:50 (permalink)
I am devastated by this inconsiderate company decision to abandon dedicated members of the most awesome cakewalk community. I am saddened by the abuse and neglect from the co's of this company after we believed in you and trusted you.
 

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/26 07:00:17 (permalink)
Helped my good friend set up Studio One today; he's used Sonar from around version 4, with X1 the last version he's been on. He got on the crossgrade deal mainly to explore the CD Mastering environment.
 
Anyway, let me just say: it made me happy to be using Sonar, although the mastering thing IS very convenient. I will have to look into it more, but I couldn't even set up 'friendly' names for audio ins/outs, which at my buddy's place with 40 audio in sources is very unpleasant. The GUI is very 'loud' if that makes sense; too much info..... will have to explore.....

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/26 07:50:22 (permalink)
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I only read this announcement now, on Christmas Eve 2017 and it feels like all saints day when you remember your deceased rather than Christmas.
I only hope some decent company will buy the rights to the software and the development will continue.
All the best to you, wonderful people of late Cakewalk.



Hear You Well Bro..... :)
Merry CHRISTMAS !!!
God Bless to you and all Sonarians  over this trialous period .
I am sure we will sort and resolve this painful,software rubbish  in the early New Year.
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/26 09:20:24 (permalink)
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Helped my good friend set up Studio One today; he's used Sonar from around version 4, with X1 the last version he's been on. He got on the crossgrade deal mainly to explore the CD Mastering environment.
 
Anyway, let me just say: it made me happy to be using Sonar, although the mastering thing IS very convenient. I will have to look into it more, but I couldn't even set up 'friendly' names for audio ins/outs, which at my buddy's place with 40 audio in sources is very unpleasant. The GUI is very 'loud' if that makes sense; too much info..... will have to explore.....




Of course you can. Just because you don't know how to use something doesn't mean it can't do it. Don't confuse ignorance with fact. I been using Studio One since v3 came out, there is no way in hell I'd ever go back to SONAR even if it wasn't dead in the water.
 

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/26 09:25:33 (permalink)
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Helped my good friend set up Studio One today; he's used Sonar from around version 4, with X1 the last version he's been on. He got on the crossgrade deal mainly to explore the CD Mastering environment.
 
Anyway, let me just say: it made me happy to be using Sonar, although the mastering thing IS very convenient. I will have to look into it more, but I couldn't even set up 'friendly' names for audio ins/outs, which at my buddy's place with 40 audio in sources is very unpleasant. The GUI is very 'loud' if that makes sense; too much info..... will have to explore.....


i am glad I am not the only one who sees it. V2's gui was already busy but still much nicer.. All presonus did was take it backwards and cram as much info on screen at one time as they could, with absolutely terrible contrast and color separation. It's literally like looking at a data spreadsheet. My eyes water and flutter when i stare at S1 song page. WAY too much info yet the daw itself is not that powerful. It's like they give the exterior a ferrari but the engine a corolla. Reliable but "meh".
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/26 10:57:11 (permalink)
I found a boxed retail version of Sonar Artist in a store and I would like to buy it.  Would I be able to still
activate it, re-install it when necessary, and use it for many years into the future?    
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/26 14:51:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ttoz 2017/12/27 16:49:22
I confess that I still have hope that some big company will buy the Cakewalk. I would like the Behringer group that has a lot of money, buy the Cake, or who knows Microsoft. This week even a friend of mine came to tell me, that I was right to call the ProTools of Bug tools, because in all of her projects, every day she loses 30 minutes of project with the bugs of ProTools. I do not see myself using it, I use it when it is necessary to use it because a client asks me. I've been studying some Daws before this announcement of the end of the Sonar. The one I liked the most was FL Studio, which is very different from Sonar but is very efficient and powerful. Studio One I used a few years ago, some things resemble Sonar. I came to test the Mixbus but for MIDI is horrible. Live I have studied, I like the live loop mode of this Daw. Other than that, I can't imagine replacing sonar with Live. I think I'm going to stay in FL Studio. I really wanted to migrate to Cubase, but it's a very expensive Daw. Just imagining I'm not going to use any more prochannel is scary. FX Chain So it's something unique and sensational. I pray for some brand to buy the Cake.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/26 16:35:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ttoz 2017/12/27 16:49:28
I think if Gibson had any intention of selling SONAR to someone else they would not have diminished the value by getting rid of most of the developers and making a big announcement which has the effect of getting rid of many of the customers.  Doesn't mean they won't sell it, but I don't think there's any intent to do so.
 
I'm now up and running on Studio One AND Cubase, both of which have their strengths and weaknesses, but at this point I don't think I would go back to SONAR were it to be picked up by another company.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/26 16:40:02 (permalink)
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I am devastated by this inconsiderate company decision to abandon dedicated members of the most awesome cakewalk community. I am saddened by the abuse and neglect from the co's of this company after we believed in you and trusted you.
 


Trust me, I curse Gibson for this. I don't believe it inconsiderate to discontinue the development of Sonar to cut losses, but rather inconsiderate that Gibson was in 2014 unable to properly size up the size bite they were taking of the Cake (pun intended). Gibson didn't need to invest in something so vast, and they should have known better. Hence, they made poor choices and ruined something good. I don't blame Gibson for damage control, but I do blame them for poor judgement in diving into the deep end of the pool without much consideration. They obviously didn't know what they were doing. Par for the course.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/26 18:08:13 (permalink)
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I think if Gibson had any intention of selling SONAR to someone else they would not have diminished the value by getting rid of most of the developers and making a big announcement which has the effect of getting rid of many of the customers.  Doesn't mean they won't sell it, but I don't think there's any intent to do so.


Who knows what's in the mind of Gibson Executives but one thing is sure, developers are an asset in themselves. Maybe (whisful thinking, here) we'll see the birth of a company with these people very much like Studio One from Cubase or Bitwig from Ableton's Live. Let's wait and see.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/26 19:07:38 (permalink)
Cubase Is the Program.
 
All the other do not support SYS EX
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/26 20:52:46 (permalink)
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Cubase Is the Program.
 
All the other do not support SYS EX




You sure about that?
I thought Reaper and Studio one did.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/26 21:16:46 (permalink)
Since i have not used sys ex in over a decade, it's a total non-factir for me
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/26 21:47:37 (permalink)
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Cubase Is the Program.
 
All the other do not support SYS EX




You sure about that?
I thought Reaper and Studio one did.




All sequencers / DAWs prior to VSTi era, have, in one way or another, support for SysEx. Some just play it, others record it and there are even some that allow you to create and edit SysEx (Sonar in particular can handle several banks of SysEx messages that can be edited and saved within the file and sent to all external MIDI devices when the file is opened. That always turned out to be a time saver for me).
Cubase, Sonar, Samplitude, being of those times, I know they support SysEx. There may be more modern ones that also support it.
Although it is a fact that with the arrival of VSTi and its widespread use nowdays has made that the SysEx messages less and less required, unless you have a good number of external MIDI hardware to control, in which case, SysEx is king.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/27 02:55:08 (permalink)
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I only read this announcement now, on Christmas Eve 2017 and it feels like all saints day when you remember your deceased rather than Christmas.
I only hope some decent company will buy the rights to the software and the development will continue.
All the best to you, wonderful people of late Cakewalk.




I don't think Gibson even had the decency to send an email out to all it's customers. The last email I received from them was on Thursday, November 2, 2017 with Subject: "Cakewalk Store now accepts EUR, GBP, JPY". I guess they wanted to rip off everyone globally. Then 2 weeks and one day later they announce the death of Cakewalk. Something just doesn't seem right about that timeline.
 

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/27 04:19:14 (permalink)
I was sent an email from Gibson to renew membership and four days later they stop production. 
I was on a website and seen Gibson stop productions on sonar so I went to
cakewalk website and its true.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/27 05:14:21 (permalink)
If every scatters to different DAWS, this will diminish the possibility of Sonar influences in the various DAWs. 
If everyone went to Cubase, perhaps there could be some influence on that program.
 
Just a thought.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/27 07:20:02 (permalink)
It's a real bummer this has happened and it is easy to slam Gibson. But, keep in my mind, more than likely, without Gibson, we may have lost Sonar at the time Roland offloaded it. That is not to condone Gibson's silence on what happens next or how they have gone about dismantling Cakewalk. It's just that we have had some wonderful upgrades since Gibson took the reigns. 

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/27 12:30:47 (permalink)
I would not give  those money grabbers a penny more
 
Sensible people will go CUBASE!!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/27 15:26:07 (permalink)
Oh good grief!
 
I'm a weekend warrior that has used Home Studio XL6 - Sonar X3. I am deeply saddened to hear this horrible news.  Especially at this time of year. Not cool.
 
HS6 was my first foray into home recording and it's been awesome.  Once I got the basics down, I've been able to record some of my ideas over the years. Then and now and it's been a source of therapy. I'm happy CW was a part of that.
 
To Noel and the other developers... Great job and thank you for working on such a nice, clean product! As others have already expressed: Best wishes to you and your families!
 
I will definitely keep checking in for any further announcements.
 
In closing, all I have to say is:
 
I knew there was a reason why I always preferred Fender guitars over Gibson.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/27 16:52:48 (permalink)
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Cubase Is the Program.
 
All the other do not support SYS EX




You sure about that?
I thought Reaper and Studio one did.


S1 definitely not which is a huge omission. You literally can not have simple sysex patch loading being sent to all your  HW synths when you load a song. Either there might be a VSTI work around that can do it, say midiquest for example, or you'd need like a free standalone sysex program to set up your synths for each and every song. 
 
When i load a pro tools project, everything is set instantly, same with cubase, logic, etc.
 
I can NOT speak for reaper in this regard..
 
Edit.. i just did a quick search, it seems reaper can at minimum send sysex messages :)
There's no dedicated editor though apparently, like we have with our event lists in the few other DAWS I mentioned.
 
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/27 17:42:52 (permalink)
Yes, this is all sad.  But sadly, its just another real life example of what matters most to many and certainly to business owners.....  profitability.   Customer loyalty, et al....   ONLY matters if it relates to profitability.  
 
I jumped in the Sonar/Cakewalk game around version 6 (actually started with Home Studio).  I loved the software and interface and enthusiastically upgraded and subscribed every time.    To many, and certainly to me, you could sense that there was trouble in baker paradise.  The lifetime subscription model/opportunity just made no business sense.   Yet, like playing the lottery, I took the chance that it was legit and jumped on board, going against my inner voice that said "this is a stupid business move".
 
Funny thing is, just after I took the lifetime subscription plunge, I also finally made the move to go all in on Cubase.  What swung my decision was midi editing and how much better it was perceived that Cubase was vs Sonar.  I've literally spent the past year learning Cubase (to me, a pretty strong learning curve).  Obviously, now I'm glad that I did.  It hasn't always been fun, but now I'm set to move forward.   I'll still fire up Sonar from time to time, especially with so many projects created there.   But I've moved on.
 
For what its worth....I'm always in the market for a new guitar.....you better know that Gibson won't be getting any more of my cash :-)
 

Sonar Platinum, Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H, i7 3770, 32Gb RAM, 256Gb 2 x Samsung 840 SSD (OS & Programs, Samples), 2 x 1Tb SATA HDD (Samples, Projects), GeForce GTX560, Delta 1010, Win 7 64 Professional, Roland A-500, Mackie 32-8, SM57, SM58, Studio Projects C1, Rode NT-1A, Yorkville YSM1 Monitors, Guitars, amps, and lots of shiny little boxes.  Oh, and way too many VI's and Libs...

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