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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 13:45:57 (permalink)
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So true.

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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 13:51:23 (permalink)
I'm out guys. Too many vague allusions and anger. I'm going to lunch and tea.

I will say this Sonar X1 and PT 10 are way better than Reaper....that should rattle a few cages.

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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 14:30:15 (permalink)
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Come on guys, everyone knows that Oak is 20 - 40% better for beating a dead horse.

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Typical..... two of us are trying to have a serious argument discussion about beating dead horses and then someone comes along cracking jokes.....
 
 
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FastBikerBoy

These threads always remind me of which superbike is the latest, greastes, fastest by 3 mph arguments I see in opther circles, yet strangely it's still the fastest riders that are at the front regardless of the make of bike......
Your analogy of my poor mixing skills was not lost on me.


I ent no dumy!

How do you think I feel I can't mix or ride fast, I can play in 5/4 though...... or can I?...... No don't answer that I'm depressed enough already.
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 14:38:40 (permalink)
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I can play in 5/4 though...... or can I?...... 

Now that you mention it, yes you can. You did it HERE IIRC. 
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 14:55:54 (permalink)
Now that's a classy shameless plug.
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 14:57:54 (permalink)
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Sonar won,......... Pro Tools got creamed with the $699 list price plus $1,000 extra tools charge.

 
djwayne... what is wrong with you man?? when G_Randy Brown asked if were you drunk or something, a few pages back, that should of told you that you were being beligerant and overbearring. you're like a petty little kid that keeps red-neckingly trying to instigate something that was never said or implied. if you dont want to discuss the different buckets and shovels, then get the hell out of the sandbox...or get your face pushed in the sand..


And what's wrong with you ?? I'm a Sonar user on a Sonar forum, I don't expect to get attacked by a bunch of traitor snakes. You don't like my opinion then here's a can of STFU just for you !!!!!! 
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 15:11:26 (permalink)
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 15:13:04 (permalink)
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bapu





So true.
HAHAHA


too many lasers...






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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 15:14:30 (permalink)
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bapu





So true.
HAHAHA

Chaos Choir


I found this little 'nugget' over in another forum. Apparently people using 'other' DAW's are aware of Sonar and it's great capabilities!!! I thought the users on this forum would get a kick out of it...(and some comic relief!) 

(It has to do with GR5 and 64bit systems) 
<<<Oo, I feel for you. I'm having problem with 64bit on my all my machines. Its hit and miss. I have no idea if this will help, but I've noticed importing into a new 64bit session works better than opening something and letting the software do it all for you. Something about the engine having to convert a 32bit session in 64 does weird things, so getting as much done before it has to deal with plug-ins has helped me. But I've completely given up on 64bit until everyone has had more time getting it all lined up. Nothing worse than building a session on it and then finding something goes sideways and the only solution is to revert back, but then not enough memory so you are SOL .  
From what I gather to date, Sonar seems to be the system with their act together more than others right now. But that doesn't help any of us.>>> 


 
Sonar is awesome.  I'm just like, "completely blown away."

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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 15:19:12 (permalink)
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 16:19:35 (permalink)
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 16:21:09 (permalink)
Chaos,

That's me at ~3 years old.
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 16:28:22 (permalink)
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 17:00:08 (permalink)
Wayne, you are the one who did all the attacking. You need to calm down. You seem like a nice enough fellow until you pop. It's just not cool. You aren't a moderator and no one is forcing you to read this thread. No one here has suggested that anyone should go out and buy PT. No one is saying Sonar sucks. You are seeing a problem that just isn't there. Chillax, broheim. We're all buds here. Stop treating us like arses. And now back to our regularly scheduled bapu shenanigans.
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 17:15:10 (permalink)
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So being as I ain't going back the full 10 pages, who won?  Has it been decided yet?

It's widely accepted that Valentino Rossi is the GOAT (Greatest of all time) but he ain't making Ducati look very sharp, so perhaps Ducati lost and everyone else won.

I think it's fair to say that they do sound the best though.... <------That's actually a serious remark.

since we are on a topic of far more value than PT vs Sonar..  my order was..
 
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 17:27:09 (permalink)
I can't be arsed to go through 10 pages of crabbing, grouching and general ....stuff...can someone wrap this fred up for me?

The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate.

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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 17:32:11 (permalink)
@trimph... I do believe you've summed it up quite nicely yourself.
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 17:43:19 (permalink)
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I can't be arsed to go through 10 pages of crabbing, grouching and general ....stuff...can someone wrap this fred up for me?




You're welcome.
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 17:46:06 (permalink)
I feel I've wasted enough time on the subject of Pro Tools. I looked at it, decided against it, didn't buy it, ain't gonna buy it. End of story.

Without further adieu, I'd like to get back on the subject of Sonar, can we do that please ?? After all this is a Sonar forum, right ??
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 17:51:23 (permalink)
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So being as I ain't going back the full 10 pages, who won?  Has it been decided yet?

It's widely accepted that Valentino Rossi is the GOAT (Greatest of all time) but he ain't making Ducati look very sharp, so perhaps Ducati lost and everyone else won.

I think it's fair to say that they do sound the best though.... <------That's actually a serious remark.

since we are on a topic of far more value than PT vs Sonar..  my order was..
 
Triumph daytona 900 triple w carbon muffler, then the duc900ss's ..and i accept this was totally subjectively assessed due to the 64bit double precision weave in the carbon of the daytona (you CAN tell the difference between fast bounced carbon and 32 bit carbon)... and of course, now i am over the pond.. a nice throaty 2-1-2 of a big bore Harley..(only in a crowded tourist town..tis the pathetic childishness of the tourist annotance factor that wins out)  but, given a current sport bike only.. then duc's it is.

I love the sound of Ducati's, I've had acouple of twins myself a VTR1000 and a SV1000 but never a Ducati. As you probably know they've got a bit of a rep for being unreliable and strangely enough just about every track day I go on there's always one poor sod in the pit garage who's desperately trying to fix a problem with one, usually electrical.
 
Back to this thread................... sort of................. It's like your average rider claiming he's on the latest and greatest bike. Does it really matter that one is 4 mph faster than another when it speeds of 180mph+ that's being compared. Take away the top 1% of racers and who rides them to the limit anyway? My bikes are far more capable than me, and I'm afraid the DAW I use is as well, I've no doubt that'll be true of any that I pick, bikes or DAWs.
 
Anyway I've got to stop talking bikes, I'm going cold turkey, we're now into July and I've only done one track day this year so far, courtesy of the great British summer.....
 
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 17:52:09 (permalink)
This thread IS about Sonar. It's about Sonar and how it compares to PT. The consensus seems to be it is just as good, if not better than PT and is a much better deal. See? All good. No traitors. No snakes.
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 17:52:47 (permalink)
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I feel I've wasted enough time on the subject of Pro Tools. I looked at it, decided against it, didn't buy it, ain't gonna buy it. End of story.

Without further adieu, I'd like to get back on the subject of Sonar, can we do that please ?? After all this is a Sonar forum, right ??


Right on cue........ see my post #291
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 18:06:00 (permalink)
OK I have done some research and yes I agree the PT Production ToolKit is a very expensive option and it is not that necessary in order to get a decent PT experience. I was confused because I was referring to virtual instruments.

As teachers we were put through three AVID PT training courses at the end of last year. AVID upgraded out PT machines in our Mac Lab to PT10, then they put the Production ToolKit on but it seems they gave us a lot of virtual instruments. I thought the virtual instruments came with the PTK but they do not. Hence the confusion.

Anyway you don't get too many virtual instruments with a standard install of PT10. And this is where PT is let down. But you can buy the PT Instrument Expansion pack but that still costs a fair bit eg $500 for some extra virtual instruments.

So to even come close to many other DAW's one still has to spend at least $1200 (without the PTK, nearly $2000 with the PTK!) and that is still a lot for what you actually get. Hence where other DAW's are offering great instruments standard and you don't have to go out and buy a whole lot of extra ones just to get a decent set of instruments.

There are some good features in the PTK but not sure it is worth the other $700 or so for them! They come standard in many DAW's like Sonar and others. Why are AVID charging so much for this program when there are so many other great alternatives for far less.



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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 18:18:21 (permalink)
@Jeff Evans... I think it is one of those scenarios where they charge it because they can... or could. They were the only real option for many years. Sadly they rested on their laurels and did not keep up with the rest of the industry. Sounds like they are starting to feel the pain of that sloth behavior. As I said earlier in the thread I would certainly like to have a PT set up if I had the cash and did indeed take a look at what they were up to when updating my studio gear but it was just unreasonable and the proprietary hardware nonsense they pull, again, made my decision for me to not invest in PT. Currently if I came into some money I would max out my Sonar system (even though I am a Suite user as it is it seems I can still add more doohickeys to it and I've heard Ableton and Sonar are actually a very powerful combo for creation so I'd probably get Ableton maxed out as well on that system), set up a full Nuendo system and THEN and only then look at the Avid stuff. Just my thoughts on the matter.
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 18:27:36 (permalink)
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djwayne


I feel I've wasted enough time on the subject of Pro Tools. I looked at it, decided against it, didn't buy it, ain't gonna buy it. End of story.

Without further adieu, I'd like to get back on the subject of Sonar, can we do that please ?? After all this is a Sonar forum, right ??


Right on cue........ see my post #291
I went through my PT10 demo period and didn't end up buying it, as well.  

So can we start talking about how many Reaper features I wish were in SONAR X1?   <ducks and runs>


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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 19:14:32 (permalink)
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I don't think he a troll. I read them as honest, but wrong statements. Sonar has Mono inputs buddy!!!
7 years and you never figured that out! WOW!!!

I think this person just needs to know what hes talking about and learn the actual program BEFORE giving opinions and false facts!
We all have Butt-Holes, so why not fart out of them every now and themCj

Yes, SONAR has mono inputs but they are displayed as the right or left side of a stereo input.  PT10 gives you the ability to display them that way as well but you can also display it as two individual mono inputs.  Reaper does the same thing.  I don't know what the hang up is with the implementation of what appears to be a fairly straight forward feature.


Right now, I'm on the fence.  I'm hoping that X2 will be on the way at the end of summer but who knows what may be changed or what other layer of new unwanted(personal opinion) softsynth with be applied.


Since this thread was posted, I went back to have a look at PT10.  If not for the fact that I have a current project working in SONAR X1, I might have pulled the trigger on it this morning.
The way mono inputs are displayed in Sonar is the correct thing to do according to the audio driver name, and of course the same audio material is send to the stereo out, or whatever the audio interface call it, so I don't understand what is ¨ two individual mono inputs¨??? I know about some interfaces working in multimono mode, but normally stereo positioning its about ¨hard panning¨, just that, at the end is just a label system in PT, no big deal.

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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 19:55:22 (permalink)
Yeah, the whole left/right thing wigged me out at first too as I'm used to just, 1 2 3 4 etc... but once you figure it out it's nothing. Also it supposedly the proper ASIO naming convention or something which was mentioned in another thread. So I'd rather learn something new and be able to understand and communicate properly than stamp my feet and say "BURT DAT'S NOT HOW IIIII DOEZ ITZ!!!1eleventy". Gotta roll with the industry or get left behind... just like PT will get left behind if they don't get their poop together. Who knows. Maybe they are sick of the consumer market and just want to focus on the commercial stuff. Frankly I think that would be better for everyone.
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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 20:33:41 (permalink)
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Yeah, the whole left/right thing wigged me out at first too as I'm used to just, 1 2 3 4 etc... but once you figure it out it's nothing. Also it supposedly the proper ASIO naming convention or something which was mentioned in another thread. So I'd rather learn something new and be able to understand and communicate properly than stamp my feet and say "BURT DAT'S NOT HOW IIIII DOEZ ITZ!!!1eleventy". Gotta roll with the industry or get left behind... just like PT will get left behind if they don't get their poop together. Who knows. Maybe they are sick of the consumer market and just want to focus on the commercial stuff. Frankly I think that would be better for everyone.

It's something when you are scrolling through inputs on a Mackie MCU or just looking at the Input Button on a track.  You can get some pretty wacked out displays.  I thought THAT was the purpose of the Friendly Names for inputs and outputs - to make things clearer and not to force the user to bend to the software's way of doing things.


Or maybe X1 is perfect and I'm out of sync with the user base?  Evidently I'm pissing in the wind.

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Re:Sonar X1 vs Pro tools 10 part 1 2012/07/10 20:48:58 (permalink)
@Mod Bod... You're totally right. I haven't even touched on that "Friendly Names" stuff and I guess that is why it's there. Personally though I'd just rather wrap my head around what the hardware/software is doing as opposed to expecting it to cater to me personally. But Sonar seems to do that anyway so that's an extra bonus. I like figuring things out though. It keeps my mind occupied. I've also seen a couple (but very few) "Friendly Name" problems come up in the threads so I figure I'll just avoid any possible issues by keeping things just as they are. If a computer can find a way to screw me up it will so I just hedge all my bets in that regard. I've got it working so yanno... don't want to mess that up trying to be fancy for no reason. Cheers.
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