Based on the tenor of the last couple pages I'd say we're all losing.

Regards,

I wanst being down on your skills.  If you know how to setup BASF on a reel 2 reel, and lock down a banging analog recording of the Eagles going through a Neve Desk..  HA..  You are a way better engineer/producer than I.

x1p ???
dude i need to update 12 more patches.
be right back.

Hey all this talk about Protools...I think Avid is in financial trouble and Sibelius (owned by Ptools and Avid) is about to shut down.   I've been hearing these things on other forums. 

Protools is not so profitable after all...

Ya it's their own fault alright. I just tried downloading the PT 10 demo again and the first attempt failed at 84 % , the second attempt finally worked (this is three hours later) it wouldn't install over the PT SE I had so I had to un-install that. I finally get it to install then it tells me the iLok isn't working right, so I check the iLok account and my PT demo license expired June 1st 2012, so I try to get another license and I find out the rule is only one trial license allowed per iLok account. So you guessed it, I'm not allowed to demo the PT10, due to their policy, even though the download I attempted two months ago failed.  

Just as well, I checked Guitar Center's prices...Sonar producer is $399, Pro Tools 10 is $ 699.

And you wonder why.

John


That means Sonar X1 Producer Expanded.

yes,it was a funny we were making.

(...)

djwayne


Ya it's their own fault alright. I just tried downloading the PT 10 demo again and the first attempt failed at 84 % , the second attempt finally worked (this is three hours later) it wouldn't install over the PT SE I had so I had to un-install that. I finally get it to install then it tells me the iLok isn't working right, so I check the iLok account and my PT demo license expired June 1st 2012, so I try to get another license and I find out the rule is only one trial license allowed per iLok account. So you guessed it, I'm not allowed to demo the PT10, due to their policy, even though the download I attempted two months ago failed.  

Just as well, I checked Guitar Center's prices...Sonar producer is $399, Pro Tools 10 is $ 699.

And you wonder why.

W:


I have been running PT since V7.  I also run Samplitude, Sonar, the full Adobe Creation Suite, Sound Forge, Vegas, I could go on.  Since I teach Digital Media and produce for NPR I use just about everything.


PT is by far the most difficult DAW to install and keep running, add Waves and it is a real hobby for sure.  Thank goodness that Waves moved away from the iLok in V9.  I run Win7, OSX Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion in the studio.  I can assure you PT runs better on OSX.  I use PT on both OS platforms, but install and running is much better on OSX.  


By the way Sonar runs better under Windows :)


It is an understatement to say that Sonar is a far better value than PT.  Keep in mind you'd have to add the $1000+ CPTK to the $699 to even come close to Sonar.  


I am very conversant in both PT and Sonar.  I see them as two members in my ensemble.  Think McCartney and Lennon.  Very different, very competitive, specialists in certain areas, and also good on their own.  The only perspective I can share with you is that I never seen any tool as an exclusive member in my kit.  I have had tons of trouble keeping PT running on my Win7 system - but I have learned a lot from that.  I love learning since I am a teacher.  


I will certainly not ever try to convince anyone what DAW they should use, especially if they are recording themselves and not engineering client projects for CD, film, or broadcast like me.

Last week I was at one of my clients homes doing a DAC interface install and lessons on how to record his practice sessions.  He has a Grammy for best Classical Artist, and several Gold Records.  This guy is the real deal in my list of clients - he is using Garage Band.  He comes to me for tracking, mix and mastering when not working with his label.  The funny part of this story is ... I had never used Garage Band.  I had no idea what to do with the darn thing ... then it all started to make sense and we were off recording multiple takes.  What a waste of money for him to invest in anything else right now.

Just wait for Windows 8 and the next rev of Sonar - by that time Apple will have bought Avid and it will become Garage Band Pro

-D

I dunno. I tried PT10 and found it to be a PITA to load for pete sake. 

Sonar is just quick to load and get running here..love it.

John


Good to see you Don. 

John!  My mentor - good to be seen and good to see ya.

Hope all is well.  By far 2012 has been my most successful year regarding products and projects.  Despite the economy woes, I have had more billable hours in 2012 than since I started.  I miss being hear as much as a few years ago - but I realize I miss the folks more than the topics!

Best

-D

With all due respect, why are we discussing this?  1-This is a Sonar users' forum. 2-All the major DAWs work and all have pros and cons.

I've read a few humorous posts, some public information about Avid's current state of affairs, and a good amount of back and forth bickering.  But has anyone actually gotten any useful information about PT or "PT vs. SONAR" in.... oh, I don't know, that last 4-5 pages?  Just curious.
 

Yes, I found out that to build up Pro Tools to the same level as Sonar, it would cost an additional $1000 over the $699 initial price. So you're looking at around $1,700 ........that may be chicken feed for the gods, but us mere mortals must stay with in our budgets.

 
Yeah... I think the CPTK has always been needed to bring PTLE up to "normal" DAW standards when it comes to overall features. 
 
But geez...   your two acoustics alone don't run much less $$ than everything I have in my little studio.  
 

stevec

Yes, I found out that to build up Pro Tools to the same level as Sonar, it would cost an additional $1000 over the $699 initial price. So you're looking at around $1,700 ........that may be chicken feed for the gods, but us mere mortals must stay with in our budgets.

 
Yeah... I think the CPTK has always been needed to bring PTLE up to "normal" DAW standards when it comes to overall features. 
 
But geez...   your two acoustics alone don't run much less $$ than everything I have in my little studio.  
 

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Thanks. Work hard and save your money. That's what I was told by a very famous musician when I was about 12-13.