Hey Jeff,

I use/own Sonar X1 and Nuendo 5.5

Samplitude does look damn good I admit and everyone says it has the best bundled plugins. But it IS buggy comparative to the other DAWs and the guy who was their DSP guru (who invented ammunition and the rest) has just left the company. And it is very expensive too.

Must admit I would like to have a swing at it though...

That is interesting backwoods. I know that Nuendo is also a very nice program too. I am not sure about  how well Samplitude runs but I don't see a real need to find out either. I am running Sonar 8.5 and Studio One 2 PRO here and very happy with both actually and so much so that there is no desire for me to try yet another DAW.

But when someone leaves the company that is important though. I wonder why and where is he going now that is the question. I think even Samplitude is quite expensive too. Although it includes a 70G library for just one sampler I have now a number of great virtual instruments all with pretty large libraries too and I have manage to assemble that for well under the Magix cost.

I still think AVID is overcharging for PT. And I have seen it running on a fully featured MAC as well and IMO that is the best environment it runs on so one really needs to consider getting a new computer and interface if you really want to get into PT big time and that is now looking like a huge outlay. Whereas a program like X1 is very well suited for the PC and has been developed that way from the start and many of us are running PC's.

And what if you do go out and buy a new computer and PT. If the music ideas are good you are going to get there despite any DAW that you may be using. I don't have any problems arriving at my destination. 

I have to teach PT as part of my teaching work so I have to stay in touch with it. I also teach Logic 9 as well and after spending quite some time with Logic lately I have now realised it is falling well behind other DAW's now in features and would not be a good choice as a main DAW of choice. I just don't see Apple developing this program much further. I could be wrong but it seems to have hit the wall features wise and does not seem to moving much further ahead.

Cool a Pro-Tools vs Sonar thread.

I haven't seen one for a good few weeks.

I started here on the last page but let me see,  Freddie will have insisted that Sonar sounds better, Middleman I hope you haven't countered by saying because of the knockings of a gnat's arse that he's wrong and PT sounds better and you have proof?  John will have either said this isn't the place for a discussion about a competing DAW, or he will have said open discussion should be welcomed depending on the wind direction.

What else will be here, price, industry standard, stability, 64 bit, is there anything I've missed that may have been actually worth reading in this one?

C'mon guys lets get over this already, we haven't had a Mac vs PC debate in ages.

LOL, what was the last one that went 10 pages plus when eventually the guy with a clown for an avatar noticed his interleave button was set to mono, and everyone meantime was swearing there was a noticable difference between DAW's?

That one still gets me chuckling if I think about it as I happened to be online when the moment of actual realisation dawned....too funny....

Everyone has known beyond any doubt since then that Sonar is more 'Motown' than the rest...FACT!!!

Jonbouy


Cool a Pro-Tools vs Sonar thread.

I haven't seen one for a good few weeks.

I started here on the last page but let me see,  Freddie will have insisted that Sonar sounds better, Middleman I hope you haven't countered by saying because of the knockings of a gnat's arse that he's wrong and PT sounds better and you have proof?  John will have either said this isn't the place for a discussion about a competing DAW, or he will have said open discussion should be welcomed depending on the wind direction.

What else will be here, price, industry standard, stability, 64 bit, is there anything I've missed that may have been actually worth reading in this one?

C'mon guys lets get over this already, we haven't had a Mac vs PC debate in ages.
 

You forgot to mention the beating a dead horse smiley which hasn't happened......yet.
 
These threads always remind me of which superbike is the latest, greastes, fastest by 3 mph arguments I see in opther circles, yet strangely it's still the fastest riders that are at the front regardless of the make of bike......

That just makes it tender! YUM!

FastBikerBoy


Oh alright then, if you insist................. 
  
 
  
 

lol....

So being as I ain't going back the full 10 pages, who won?  Has it been decided yet?

It's widely accepted that Valentino Rossi is the GOAT (Greatest of all time) but he ain't making Ducati look very sharp, so perhaps Ducati lost and everyone else won.

I think it's fair to say that they do sound the best though.... <------That's actually a serious remark.

FastBikerBoy

Jonbouy

Mystic38

FastBikerBoy


Oh alright then, if you insist................. 

lol....

Yeah Karl, what wood are you using for that stick?

You know hickory is by far the best for beating a dead horse right?

I thought it was willow, as in cricket bats. Shall we argue about it for 10 pages?

Willow is great particularly if you are looking for weight but it doesn't have the flexibility of Hickory.  Hickory has more of a pronounced top end response too.  I've tested both of course and beat dead horses for a living so I know what I'm talking about.  Hickory even smokes becan.

Nuff said.

DonM

djwayne


Ya it's their own fault alright. I just tried downloading the PT 10 demo again and the first attempt failed at 84 % , the second attempt finally worked (this is three hours later) it wouldn't install over the PT SE I had so I had to un-install that. I finally get it to install then it tells me the iLok isn't working right, so I check the iLok account and my PT demo license expired June 1st 2012, so I try to get another license and I find out the rule is only one trial license allowed per iLok account. So you guessed it, I'm not allowed to demo the PT10, due to their policy, even though the download I attempted two months ago failed.  

Just as well, I checked Guitar Center's prices...Sonar producer is $399, Pro Tools 10 is $ 699.

And you wonder why.

W:


I have been running PT since V7.  I also run Samplitude, Sonar, the full Adobe Creation Suite, Sound Forge, Vegas, I could go on.  Since I teach Digital Media and produce for NPR I use just about everything.


PT is by far the most difficult DAW to install and keep running, add Waves and it is a real hobby for sure.  Thank goodness that Waves moved away from the iLok in V9.  I run Win7, OSX Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion in the studio.  I can assure you PT runs better on OSX.  I use PT on both OS platforms, but install and running is much better on OSX.  


By the way Sonar runs better under Windows :)


It is an understatement to say that Sonar is a far better value than PT.  Keep in mind you'd have to add the $1000+ CPTK to the $699 to even come close to Sonar.  


I am very conversant in both PT and Sonar.  I see them as two members in my ensemble.  Think McCartney and Lennon.  Very different, very competitive, specialists in certain areas, and also good on their own.  The only perspective I can share with you is that I never seen any tool as an exclusive member in my kit.  I have had tons of trouble keeping PT running on my Win7 system - but I have learned a lot from that.  I love learning since I am a teacher.  


I will certainly not ever try to convince anyone what DAW they should use, especially if they are recording themselves and not engineering client projects for CD, film, or broadcast like me.

Last week I was at one of my clients homes doing a DAC interface install and lessons on how to record his practice sessions.  He has a Grammy for best Classical Artist, and several Gold Records.  This guy is the real deal in my list of clients - he is using Garage Band.  He comes to me for tracking, mix and mastering when not working with his label.  The funny part of this story is ... I had never used Garage Band.  I had no idea what to do with the darn thing ... then it all started to make sense and we were off recording multiple takes.  What a waste of money for him to invest in anything else right now.

Just wait for Windows 8 and the next rev of Sonar - by that time Apple will have bought Avid and it will become Garage Band Pro

-D

Hi Don - Good to see you around these parts again. Miss your balanced input (pun intended). Glad to hear things have been going so well.

So being as I ain't going back the full 10 pages, who won?  Has it been decided yet?

 
 
Sonar won,......... Pro Tools got creamed with the $699 list price plus $1,000 extra tools charge.

Jeff, why do you say this? The CPTK gives you disk cache and VCA but nothing else to my mind that one would really need or lack.

 
 
i agree..for me it would be a giant waste of money..if PT were 64 bit(as it should be) and if one has his own DSP acceleration, and the system is up to the task. does one really need disk cache?? and if one does'nt mind using busses and re-routing audio, i dont see the strong need for VCA either. and if ever i happen to be a part of a production that requires the additional 96 track count, i very seriously doubt any of that work will be done at my small meager facility.i dont see the CPTK as a requirement at all. for what little you get, it is'nt in anyway worth the price of admission. to me this where Avid way over-values itself. and underestimates the resourcefulness of a large market of DAW users that can complete the exact same task at a 3rd of the price.

Jonbouy


What else will be here, price, industry standard, stability, 64 bit, is there anything I've missed that may have been actually worth reading in this one?

This fred has not led to a discussion about me.


I see little point in sticking around then.


I'll get me coat.

Pro Tools 10 didn't crash!? Did I read that!?  Wow- so you mean to tell me that they went from version 9 to 10 in 7 month production cycle and fixed all the issues with crashing!? Or, did you not use third party virtual instruments with Pro Tools 10!?  I can open PT 9.06 with 1 track and add a Kontakt 5 instrument and crash it right away! So you mean to tell me Avid performed miracles on the PT 10 release!? Stop!!! 

I also have to respond to the comments about appearance of PT 10 being better than Sonar X1?  While unlike crashing, this point is INCREDiBLY subjective, the GUI in SONAR X1 is exponentially more customizable than PT, so you can set it to taste.  PT doesn't even have proper support for multiple monitors- so I don't understand how we can say the interface looks better. BTW- Sonar may appear more cluttered BECAUSE it provides 10X's the features.  PT is 18 year old software IMO-  Avid has been drinking from that same teat for years, and now it's run dry.  Presonus can push out a DAW from scratch on a 2 year build that BURIES PT.  I wish it would just go away!