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2015/08/24 16:05:24

bapu

Doktor Avalanche
Still no mention of whine compatibility .

Anderton thinks that all that's been mentioned in this thread.

2015/08/24 16:19:22

Anderton

icontakt
First, the drum replacer, plugin upsampling, etc. weren't requested in the Features & Ideas forum. This means that the requests and wishes posted here in the main forum are prioritized over those in the F&I forum.

The two do not necessarily follow. For example the Drum Replacer and Virtual Controller were in progress before SONAR 2015 was introduced. Plugin up-sampling happened expeditiously because while not trivial, it was low-hanging fruit that improved audio quality. Here are some additional points to consider.

The forums represent a single-digit portion of the active user base. Cakewalk depends not just on requests in the F&I forum, but also the results from surveys that poll a statistically representative group of users.
Some features are added to attract new users. Drum Replacer has been a big feature in Pro Tools. It's no secret that quite a few disenchanted Pro Tools users are seeking greener pastures. SONAR can make a more convincing pitch to those people if there's a Drum Replacer. Ditto a more convincing pitch to Audition users with VocalSync. If more people use SONAR, more resources will allow implementing more FRs.
Many of the F&I features are quite specific. This is not to say they don't have value, but I think there is a sufficient list of outstanding issues of global importance that have priority. One value of feature requests is the possibility that some of those can be addressed later while fixing something else.
I assume feature requests with an existing workaround are low priority. For example, one person wanted to be able to move multiple tracks in track view as one unit. Someone else pointed out you could put them in a folder and move the folder. Similarly, the request to re-order synths in the synth rack so you don't have synths with all the same name if you forget to name them. The workaround is to name them :) And yes, I'd like to see "drum machine mode" in the PRV but until then, I'm using the step sequencer. While all of these suggestions have merit, I can't see Cakewalk prioritizing those FRs over more pressing needs.

I think perhaps one reason why the F&I forum doesn't get topics with huge amounts of votes is because some of the feature requests don't resonate with people if their own personal workflow isn't impacted, and the ones that are important have been mentioned so much (e.g., drum maps) that people know they're already on Cakewalk's radar. I see the F&I forum as being more forward-looking, given the lag time between deciding to do something and actually doing it.

Also, remember that fixes are sometimes "bundled." The best example is that there have been numerous issues with automation over the years. People might have thought Cakewalk wasn't paying attention, but in the process of doing Mix Recall Noel cleaned up a lot of automation's loose ends en masse.

Progress is never as fast as any of us would like. That applies to every element of life that I experience, so I'm used to it by now.

2015/08/24 16:56:21

charlyg

And again I am happy for the blocked member feature.....

2015/08/24 17:15:30

Doktor Avalanche

charlyg
And again I am happy for the blocked member feature.....

2015/08/24 17:38:00

Adq

2015/08/24 18:26:55

streckfus

Who needs a sort feature when you're willing to do it manually? :)

Thanks for digging that up though...very interesting.

2015/08/25 00:02:33

icontakt

Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
Each of these things individually might seem silly to anyone even browsing this forum, especially power users, but the point being... customers have been asking us for years to present the most up-to-date information directly to them. It doesn't have to be listed in the Features & Ideas forum for it to be a real legitimate goal. It is, in fact, true that many customers reach out to us through a variety of other means and do not engage on the forum.

Anderton
The forums represent a single-digit portion of the active user base. Cakewalk depends not just on requests in the F&I forum, but also the results from surveys that poll a statistically representative group of users.

Anderton
Some features are added to attract new users. Drum Replacer has been a big feature in Pro Tools. It's no secret that quite a few disenchanted Pro Tools users are seeking greener pastures. SONAR can make a more convincing pitch to those people if there's a Drum Replacer. Ditto a more convincing pitch to Audition users with VocalSync.

All of these suggest that even if a request posted in the F&I forum received 100 votes, it will still be given lower priority than the popular requests that came through the other channels (incl. survey). And if that's true, it's best to remove that 5-star rating system from the F&I forum. If the requests that are rated the highest don't get the highest priority, what's the point of voting? The best strategy IMO is to implement both the top requests from the other channels (DR, VocalSync, etc.) AND the top requests from the F&I forum.

Now which of the top 10 requests in the ranking Adq posted got implemented?

1. 53 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Staff-View-Triplet-handling-m3152863.aspx
2. 51 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Staff-View-Fix-The-Bugs-m3152858.aspx
3. 45 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Track-colors-should-be-storedrecalled-with-Track-Templates-m3160288.aspx
4. 40 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com...rovement-m3153747.aspx
(more visibility for enabled and disabled fxs)
5. 33 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com...ecording-m3099239.aspx
In development (track routing)
6. 32 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/A-feature-for-those-that-write-string-arrangements-m3100396.aspx
(play notes that start earlier that playback starts)
7. 31 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/An-arrange-window-m3104937.aspx
8. 29 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Staff-View-note-duration-icons-m3152971.aspx
9. 27 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Nested-Folders-m3158299.aspx
10. 26 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/MusicXML-support-m3152945.aspx

#2 - This seems to be about bugs. So the thread should have been moved to the Problem Report forum.

#3 - This is a confirmed bug as I recently said in that very thread. This makes me wonder if the F&I forum is really read by the Bakers. If I were a person in charge of checking the F&I forum, I would wonder "Maybe this is a bug?" and check the internal bug tracking system, then advise the original poster that it's a bug and move the thread to the Problem Report forum.

#4 - The FX Rack was introduced this year, so I assume it's not difficult to change the colors, which will be very helpful to many.

#5 - Is this the one that's coming soon? If so, that's great (although I don't really need the feature, I'm happy for other users).

#6 - As I mentioned in the very thread, the Bakers had often been considering implementing this one. Then, why not implement it? Many users want it too.

Anderton
I assume feature requests with an existing workaround are low priority. For example, one person wanted to be able to move multiple tracks in track view as one unit. Someone else pointed out you could put them in a folder and move the folder. Similarly, the request to re-order synths in the synth rack so you don't have synths with all the same name if you forget to name them. The workaround is to name them :)

It depends. If there are tens of people who frequently (once or more per session, for example) need to move multiple tracks from one folder into another existing folder, it should be given high priority even if a simple workaround exists. The reason why those requests that you cited are given low priority is, IMO, that they didn't receive many votes.

2015/08/25 09:06:13

dappa1

I'm glad that my request for a start grid has come to fruition so quickly

2015/08/25 09:18:23

Doktor Avalanche

@icontakt
Well you should not need to vote for bug fixes, they should always be top priority, and problem report forum is about all reproducing new bugs (and one thread equal one bug), so best #2 stays where it is I guess.

2015/08/25 09:30:13

icontakt

Doktor Avalanche
@icontakt
Well you should not need to vote for bug fixes, they should always be top priority, and problem report forum is about all reproducing new bugs (and one thread equal one bug), so best #2 stays where it is I guess.

Maybe #2 belongs in the main forum. A request for fixing bugs isn't a feature request IMO. Not an idea, either.

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