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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/24 15:41:16 (permalink)
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In the past I was never able to get even a single annual update to be all about me 
 


That's because it's been all about me.
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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/24 15:42:31 (permalink)
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I have no insider info on this feature. I'm simply calling it that because that's how people couched their original request. I guess Noel took it further if it's now called track to track routing...although I suppose people will complain because no one asked specifically for track to track routing, only recording 





Maybe I'm taking this too seriously..

Let's be clear here, I'm not complaining, I'm (once again) lobbying to get age old issues fixed and standard workflow enhanced. I've tried my best to put up a balanced argument, giving fair credit where it is due, and all that's happened (as happens over and over again)is we get accused to complaining and whining (default position), and as you see there are plenty of others that feel this way. This seems to happen year after year ... Oh well...
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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/24 15:48:26 (permalink)
 
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One of your super long massive threads designed to make us relent and put our hands up. :) :)


 
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You stated as a fact that you hadn’t seen anyone ask for what has been delivered over the past four month. I disagreed and gave a three-sentence reply. Every one of those three sentences was a true statement, but you disputed them. I felt you were expecting a response, so I responded.
 
My purpose is not to get people to relent and put their hands up, but to provide what I feel are detailed and transparent responses. I have no illusion that people can be reasoned out of positions they didn’t use reason to attain, but I believe there are people here who are interested in entertaining a variety of viewpoints.




 
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I stand by what I said earlier I don't think it was inaccurate. I won't disagree with much of what you have written either.


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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/24 15:53:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John T 2015/08/25 17:40:30
I'd argue a strong case for this update. It might sound anecdotal, but I promise you it's not...
 
The ability to deliver news and update information directly to SONAR customers from inside the application has been a predictable and repetitive conversation for us for many, many years now. It doesn't really take a survey to figure this out, it just takes answering phone calls for more then 30 minutes. Customers have been asking us, directly, "Why doesn't SONAR tell you when an update is available" for years now. I'd question the decision making of anyone at Cakewalk who couldn't see how obvious this was.
 
Fact of the matter is, a multitude of customers have for years been turned off by having to hunt for updates on our website. Many other users also have become aggravated with having to rely on Newsletters for promotions and important information (which are sometimes targeted and/or can result in service providers flagging things as abuse, etc.). Email, as it turns out, is not always the best way to deliver news to everyone who uses your product. This point has been aggressively explained to us by customers for years now. Forum stickies are even worse. So, this request is actually extremely common and backed by years of countless requests and complaints by people who, by their very nature, don't spend a lot of time familiarizing themselves with our website and explaining this on our forum.
 
Like with all things, we had to build up the back-end to support this first and improve everyone's first experience with SONAR. With this being the case, while the back-end devs got their ducks in a row, the SONAR devs took the opportunity to expand upon the idea and make the entire first-impression of SONAR experience much better.
 
It grew from not just a place to receive notifications, but also to provide a better experience with creating new projects, pulling up more fleshed-out project templates, and accessing your favorite and most recent sessions and meta-data more easily then before. The thumbnails and project information are a nice improvement. It also gives us an easier mechanism for delivering relevant instructional videos directly without having to instruct users how to navigate to CakeTV on our website. Even the Quick Tips are a nice addition. We were surprised to learn that when we removed the "Tip of the Day" from SONAR X1, the number of complaints sky-rocketed to the point where our service department had to create "auto-responses" to explain why we didn't want to continue delivering pre-compiled tips that may or may not be irrelevant after changes were made to the products's features with subsequent updates.
 
Each of these things individually might seem silly to anyone even browsing this forum, especially power users, but the point being... customers have been asking us for years to present the most up-to-date information directly to them. It doesn't have to be listed in the Features & Ideas forum for it to be a real legitimate goal. It is, in fact, true that many customers reach out to us through a variety of other means and do not engage on the forum. With that being said, I'd argue the number of times people ask "where did you learn that bit of information" (such as every time an update is released or even with this thread alone http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3275850 ) is an argument for the fact that we're not reaching everyone with the standard methods.
 
I'd encourage anyone interested to spend some time with it and see if your experience is improved. There's more to it then just news, but I personally feel that aspect alone was worth the effort. Log feedback and ideas, as always. If it turns out that this new addition (one of many so far introduced with SONAR 2015 http://www.cakewalk.com/P...Rolling-Updates#start ) is not for you, it can be bypassed. Even still, our hopes are that it is beneficial for the majority of customers.
 
At the end of the day I feel the need to mention that work-done in one area does not mean other areas are being ignored. The bakers behind the scenes here all have different skill-sets and areas of expertise. Some projects have different timelines just due to their nature and the work that must be done prior. We've traditionally been pretty tight-lipped about future updates and we've been trying to do a better job of including some details on our roadmap each month. Announcing this new Start Screen and what it can mean for future improvements to both SONAR's workflow and how we all communicate with one another is another example of how we're trying to improve.
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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/24 15:56:14 (permalink)
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I see that you refer to this up-and-coming feature as "track-to-track recording" versus "track-to-track routing" as listed on the website.  Do you have insider info about this particular feature and what it's actually designed to do?



I have no insider info on this feature. I'm simply calling it that because that's how people couched their original request. I guess Noel took it further if it's now called track to track routing...although I suppose people will complain because no one asked specifically for track to track routing, only recording 


Yeah, I saw the various requests for being able to record synths, and I've also seen and contributed to some discussions about allowing users to determine whether or not tracks/buses live in two separate places, so when I first saw "track-to-track routing" I probably jumped to some conclusions and assumed that this feature would kill a few birds with one stone.  Now that I think more about it, it does appear to be more along the lines of recording signals versus treating tracks like Aux tracks/buses, etc.  Then again, Noel did mention that the signal routing is a pretty easy task, but that recording the virtual ports was much more involved, so who knows.  Maybe it is an all-in-one solution to those various requests!

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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/24 15:56:44 (permalink)
@Ryan - Yup and as I said I don't want to be seen as slagging off the work you have done so far. The forthcoming audio update looks exciting. It is appreciated. I'm putting another point of view across. Nothing with what you have done is wrong. And I agree with everything you say as well.
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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/24 15:58:09 (permalink)
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Ryan,
 
How will the users of X3 and below get update information without the new Start Screen ?
 
{/tongueInCheek}
 
 
 
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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/24 16:00:50 (permalink)
i keep pretty current with the forum. I'm not sure I'm going to benefit from the news distribution in the start screen, but maybe.
 
I can see that lots of users would benefit from this.
 
I'll be disappointed if it's just another way to push products. I like the idea of startup tips that are useful.
 
I'm in general for this. I think it's a good idea, even if I'm not the primary target of this improvement.
 
 
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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/24 16:01:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/08/24 16:12:29
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{tongueInCheek}
 
Ryan,
 
How will the users of X3 and below get update information without the new Start Screen ?
 
{/tongueInCheek}
 
 
 
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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/24 16:03:09 (permalink)
Still no mention of whine compatibility .

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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/24 16:05:24 (permalink)
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Still no mention of whine compatibility .


Anderton thinks that all that's been mentioned in this thread.
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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/24 16:19:22 (permalink)
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First, the drum replacer, plugin upsampling, etc. weren't requested in the Features & Ideas forum. This means that the requests and wishes posted here in the main forum are prioritized over those in the F&I forum.

 
The two do not necessarily follow. For example the Drum Replacer and Virtual Controller were in progress before SONAR 2015 was introduced. Plugin up-sampling happened expeditiously because while not trivial, it was low-hanging fruit that improved audio quality. Here are some additional points to consider. 
  • The forums represent a single-digit portion of the active user base. Cakewalk depends not just on requests in the F&I forum, but also the results from surveys that poll a statistically representative group of users.
  • Some features are added to attract new users. Drum Replacer has been a big feature in Pro Tools. It's no secret that quite a few disenchanted Pro Tools users are seeking greener pastures. SONAR can make a more convincing pitch to those people if there's a Drum Replacer. Ditto a more convincing pitch to Audition users with VocalSync. If more people use SONAR, more resources will allow implementing more FRs.
  • Many of the F&I features are quite specific. This is not to say they don't have value, but I think there is a sufficient list of outstanding issues of global importance that have priority. One value of feature requests is the possibility that some of those can be addressed later while fixing something else.
  • I assume feature requests with an existing workaround are low priority. For example, one person wanted to be able to move multiple tracks in track view as one unit. Someone else pointed out you could put them in a folder and move the folder. Similarly, the request to re-order synths in the synth rack so you don't have synths with all the same name if you forget to name them. The workaround is to name them :) And yes, I'd like to see "drum machine mode" in the PRV but until then, I'm using the step sequencer. While all of these suggestions have merit, I can't see Cakewalk prioritizing those FRs over more pressing needs. 
 
I think perhaps one reason why the F&I forum doesn't get topics with huge amounts of votes is because some of the feature requests don't resonate with people if their own personal workflow isn't impacted, and the ones that are important have been mentioned so much (e.g., drum maps) that people know they're already on Cakewalk's radar. I see the F&I forum as being more forward-looking, given the lag time between deciding to do something and actually doing it.
 
Also, remember that fixes are sometimes "bundled." The best example is that there have been numerous issues with automation over the years. People might have thought Cakewalk wasn't paying attention, but in the process of doing Mix Recall Noel cleaned up a lot of automation's loose ends en masse.  
 
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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/24 16:56:21 (permalink)
And again I am happy for the blocked member feature.....

 
 
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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/24 17:15:30 (permalink)
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And again I am happy for the blocked member feature.....






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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/24 17:38:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cparmerlee 2015/08/24 19:26:55
Unfortunately you can't sort feature request forum by number of votes. So if somebody is interested, just to better understand what we are talking about, I've gone through the forum, and found out all posts with 20+ votes for the last year. Here they are:
1. 53 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Staff-View-Triplet-handling-m3152863.aspx
2. 51 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Staff-View-Fix-The-Bugs-m3152858.aspx
3. 45 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Track-colors-should-be-storedrecalled-with-Track-Templates-m3160288.aspx
4. 40 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com...rovement-m3153747.aspx
(more visibility for enabled and disabled fxs)
5. 33 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com...ecording-m3099239.aspx
In development (track routing)
6. 32 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/A-feature-for-those-that-write-string-arrangements-m3100396.aspx
(play notes that start earlier that playback starts)
7. 31 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/An-arrange-window-m3104937.aspx
8. 29 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Staff-View-note-duration-icons-m3152971.aspx
9. 27 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Nested-Folders-m3158299.aspx
10. 26 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/MusicXML-support-m3152945.aspx
11. 25 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Smooth-Scrolling-Now-Time-during-playback-m3153217.aspx
12. 25 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Spacer-for-the-Console-view-m3151192.aspx
13. 25 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Rethink-the-Bus-Pane-concept-and-allow-moving-Busses-into-the-Track-Pane-area-m3151211.aspx
In development (track routing)
14. 24 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Chord-Track-for-Sonar-Platinum-m3160700.aspx
15. 23 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com...-Plug-in-m3123368.aspx
16. 23 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Expand-Collapse-Track-Folders-in-Console-View-m3099311.aspx
17. 21 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com...sure-One-m3097431.aspx
18. 21 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Command-Center-to-install-to-my-specified-path-m3159811.aspx
19. 21 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/TEMPO-VIEW-needs-update-m3153243.aspx
20. 21 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/A-where-used-report-of-VSTVSTi-m3161955.aspx
21. 20 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Duplicate-Ctrl-D-m3099521.aspx
 
 
 
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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/24 18:26:55 (permalink)
Who needs a sort feature when you're willing to do it manually? :)
 
Thanks for digging that up though...very interesting.

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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/25 00:02:33 (permalink)
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Each of these things individually might seem silly to anyone even browsing this forum, especially power users, but the point being... customers have been asking us for years to present the most up-to-date information directly to them. It doesn't have to be listed in the Features & Ideas forum for it to be a real legitimate goal. It is, in fact, true that many customers reach out to us through a variety of other means and do not engage on the forum.

 
Anderton
The forums represent a single-digit portion of the active user base. Cakewalk depends not just on requests in the F&I forum, but also the results from surveys that poll a statistically representative group of users.

 
Anderton
Some features are added to attract new users. Drum Replacer has been a big feature in Pro Tools. It's no secret that quite a few disenchanted Pro Tools users are seeking greener pastures. SONAR can make a more convincing pitch to those people if there's a Drum Replacer. Ditto a more convincing pitch to Audition users with VocalSync.

 
All of these suggest that even if a request posted in the F&I forum received 100 votes, it will still be given lower priority than the popular requests that came through the other channels (incl. survey). And if that's true, it's best to remove that 5-star rating system from the F&I forum. If the requests that are rated the highest don't get the highest priority, what's the point of voting? The best strategy IMO is to implement both the top requests from the other channels (DR, VocalSync, etc.) AND the top requests from the F&I forum.
 
Now which of the top 10 requests in the ranking Adq posted got implemented?
 

1. 53 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Staff-View-Triplet-handling-m3152863.aspx
2. 51 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Staff-View-Fix-The-Bugs-m3152858.aspx
3. 45 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Track-colors-should-be-storedrecalled-with-Track-Templates-m3160288.aspx
4. 40 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com...rovement-m3153747.aspx
(more visibility for enabled and disabled fxs)
5. 33 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com...ecording-m3099239.aspx
In development (track routing)
6. 32 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/A-feature-for-those-that-write-string-arrangements-m3100396.aspx
(play notes that start earlier that playback starts)
7. 31 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/An-arrange-window-m3104937.aspx
8. 29 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Staff-View-note-duration-icons-m3152971.aspx
9. 27 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Nested-Folders-m3158299.aspx
10. 26 votes
http://forum.cakewalk.com/MusicXML-support-m3152945.aspx

 
#2 - This seems to be about bugs. So the thread should have been moved to the Problem Report forum.
 
#3 - This is a confirmed bug as I recently said in that very thread. This makes me wonder if the F&I forum is really read by the Bakers. If I were a person in charge of checking the F&I forum, I would wonder "Maybe this is a bug?" and check the internal bug tracking system, then advise the original poster that it's a bug and move the thread to the Problem Report forum.
 
#4 - The FX Rack was introduced this year, so I assume it's not difficult to change the colors, which will be very helpful to many.
 
#5 - Is this the one that's coming soon? If so, that's great (although I don't really need the feature, I'm happy for other users).
 
#6 - As I mentioned in the very thread, the Bakers had often been considering implementing this one. Then, why not implement it? Many users want it too.
 
 

Anderton
I assume feature requests with an existing workaround are low priority. For example, one person wanted to be able to move multiple tracks in track view as one unit. Someone else pointed out you could put them in a folder and move the folder. Similarly, the request to re-order synths in the synth rack so you don't have synths with all the same name if you forget to name them. The workaround is to name them :)

 
It depends. If there are tens of people who frequently (once or more per session, for example) need to move multiple tracks from one folder into another existing folder, it should be given high priority even if a simple workaround exists. The reason why those requests that you cited are given low priority is, IMO, that they didn't receive many votes.
 
 

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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/25 09:06:13 (permalink)
I'm glad that my request for a start grid has come to fruition so quickly 

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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/25 09:18:23 (permalink)
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Well you should not need to vote for bug fixes, they should always be top priority, and problem report forum is about all reproducing new bugs (and one thread equal one bug), so best #2 stays where it is I guess.

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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/25 09:30:13 (permalink)
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Well you should not need to vote for bug fixes, they should always be top priority, and problem report forum is about all reproducing new bugs (and one thread equal one bug), so best #2 stays where it is I guess.

 
Maybe #2 belongs in the main forum. A request for fixing bugs isn't a feature request IMO. Not an idea, either.

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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/25 09:57:45 (permalink)
I think the new Start Screen is a good/solid addition to Sonar Platinum.
 
Aesthetic and Organizational enhancements may not seem too exciting on the surface, but they make day-to-day use a more pleasant experience.
Having immediate access to common Templates, Recent Projects, Program Updates/Info, etc (pin-able) is quick/convenient.  I think the Start Screen looks sharp.  
 
Cubase 8, Studio One v3, etc have similar Start Screens... for similar reasons.
 
Development of newer versions is a delicate balance of fixing bugs, adding new features, and trying to make the overall application as appealing as possible (all without breaking anything).
 
There's always room for improvement, but thus far... I'm very pleased with Sonar Platinum.
It was a solid initial release... and we're seeing significant new features added each month.
Hat's off the the Cakewalk staff for delivering as promised.
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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/25 11:27:04 (permalink)
Perhaps someone from Cakewalk could say how they prioritize bugs. I assume some of it relates to the difficulty of implementing vs. the perceived benefits. For example, storing track colors with templates would be nice, but it's hardly a workflow killer. If it could be done in an afternoon, sure, why not. But if it's complicated, I don't know if the effort is worth the benefits. 
 
Regarding staff view, while more could be done, fixes have been implemented and I'm sure that was influenced by the vocal staff view fan requests. Perhaps XML is waiting on additional staff view fixes...I don't know.
 
Then you have something like Track Routing. This is a significant feature that does what people asked for initially and goes beyond. It's not trivial to implement so I would assume the Bakers would have to make a choice between one big oft-requested feature and several fixes.
 
I do not code so I do not know the intricacies of fixes. Fixes I think would be trivial can take huge amounts of time while something that appears complex turns out to be relatively simple. It may not be possible for CW to say arbitrarily "Since this got more votes, we should do it first" if it means multiple other issues have to go by the wayside. Also, based on past history Cakewalk seems to prefer fixing several related bugs at once. The issues with looping, punching, and time slip are a good example. There were multiple bugs reported for those functions and CW fixed them in one big bug sweep. 
 
It may not be possible to give a definitive answer on how fixes are prioritized because there may be too many variables. It would take someone from Cakewalk to give an answer here that's not speculation.

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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/25 13:50:45 (permalink)
Brilliant! New Start Menu...couldn't be happier with this. Organisation is very important to me. If Platinum becomes a stable platform with a good internal structure it will make working in the DAW second to none. So very happy. This is something that I was asking for. It should enable me to bring old projects and new projects on one page with out upsetting the order in which I made my tracks. 
 
Have not seen it yet but it is a welcomed change to the was how sonar will look and feel moving ahead. Still pops and clicks within the programme but hopefully they will look into that aswell.

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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/25 17:58:18 (permalink)
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 Similarly, the request to re-order synths in the synth rack so you don't have synths with all the same name if you forget to name them. The workaround is to name them :)

I don't understand how does re-ordering of synths relate to naming them? I need reordering to place drums with drums, and so on. If I decide to add another layer to existing synth, I don't want them to be for example 5th and 47th in the list, I want them to be near each other. If there would be such function, everybody who uses synth rack would use it, as everybody who uses track view also uses re-ordering of tracks, I'm sure.
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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/25 18:21:37 (permalink)
Haven't been following this closely (even though I should have it seems) so I'm sure this has been covered. Watched the vid and it's definitely an improvement over the old start screen... but...
 
RE: The newsfeed thingie... Can that be completely disabled (indepently from the Startscreen) and/or is this something that's going to be trying to call home for updates?
 
It's a nice idea and I understand the reasoning but I don't want something trying to connect to Cake headquarters all willy nilly. Of course I am here regularly so am usually aware of new stuff going on and I simply don't want anything randomly "waking up" to do something on my DAW... especially when I'm doing something else. Even if it only connects at boot up of the system or starting Sonar.... still not digging that.
 
So yeah, can that (and just that) part of it be disabled? My DAW remains offline 99% of the time anyway but just the act of a program reaching out for stuff like that is not something I like (I don't use CCC and use manual updates for pretty much everything on the DAW). I also don't want a situation where when I DO connect to the internet Sonar automatically starts trying to download a bunch of "Newsflashes" or whatever. When I go online with the DAW it is for very specific purposes and I don't want something like that going wacky in the background... at least not without me actively choosing an option to MAKE it happen (which I am not opposed to... so maybe a "Connect to Cake News" button would be nice when I do feel like looking at what's up).
 
Everything else looks fine and will likely be very useful to me. Even the newsfeed looks good but I don't want it on my DAW. Actually I might even install SPlat on my sh*tty laptop that I use for my intertubing (even though I can't actually run Sonar on this thing) just to open it up and get the news feed.
 
Probably already been answered somewhere. If not though I would like to know.
 
Thanks and hopefully that's not too anally d*ckish.
 
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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/25 18:33:07 (permalink)
To be honest the new start screen looks completely worthless to me, sorry. Absolutely nothing on there delivers value to me as a user, with the tiny exception that it can tell me when there's an update - but other apps manage that in an unobtrusive way without needing a whole new screen for it. The fact that it can tell me the tempo and time signature of a project could have been useful, except it's hidden behind a click - meaning I will just not bother and will keep adding that into the filename so I can see it instantly at a glance when I click the 'Existing Project' option, which I will do 9 times out of 10.

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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/25 18:36:06 (permalink)
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It's a nice idea and I understand the reasoning but I don't want something trying to connect to Cake headquarters all willy nilly. Of course I am here regularly so am usually aware of new stuff going on and I simply don't want anything randomly "waking up" to do something on my DAW... especially when I'm doing something else. Even if it only connects at boot up of the system or starting Sonar.... still not digging that.



Should not get in the way if one can assume it runs much like the automatic VST scan.
(a) It executes on startup.
(b) Runs in it's own separate process so it not interfere or crash with anything, once done it gracefully exits.
(c) Has been tested with windows offline.
(d) Can be disabled just like the auto VST scan.
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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/25 19:06:14 (permalink)
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To be honest the new start screen looks completely worthless to me, sorry. Absolutely nothing on there delivers value to me as a user, with the tiny exception that it can tell me when there's an update - but other apps manage that in an unobtrusive way without needing a whole new screen for it. The fact that it can tell me the tempo and time signature of a project could have been useful, except it's hidden behind a click - meaning I will just not bother and will keep adding that into the filename so I can see it instantly at a glance when I click the 'Existing Project' option, which I will do 9 times out of 10.


Well... I'd say this.
 
No, it doesn't make a profound difference to anything directly, though I'm completely sold on Ryan's argument earlier in the thread. If it helps to take some weight off the customer support work at Cakewalk, we do all indirectly benefit from that.
 
Also, as we know, Sonar has now moved from yearly version updates to ongoing development. And an occasional new coat of paint and a run round with a broom is bound to be part of that.

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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/25 20:04:05 (permalink)
It could have just been a link at the bottom of the existing start dialog that said, "New updates available! Click here to launch the Cakewalk Control Center" and that would cover 95% of it. "No need to check email or the web for your monthly updates anymore."... I don't, that's what CCC is for. Stick a link to that in the main app, flag it up when something new is available, done.
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Re: Upcoming New Start Screen - thinking... 2015/08/25 21:35:09 (permalink)
Pinning the projects you want as priorities even if they aren't "recent," and being able to switch templates easily without having to do the "normal.cwt" shuffle is a definite improvement. I also think the tip feature will be good for disseminating "Cool, I didn't know that" info.
 
IMHO whether notifications end up being useful or not depends on what Cakewalk chooses as worthy of being a notification.
 
 

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