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2013/12/18 18:43:49
Splat
Outstanding X3E issues are listed here.
 
BUGS OUTSTANDING AS FROM 18 Dec 2013 REPRODUCED WITH X3D (Unofficial).
 
NOT REPORTED TO CAKEWALK BUGS 
 
Mono waveform in comp track where take lanes are all stereo??
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Mono-waveform-in-comp-track-where-take-lanes-are-all-stereo-m2967613.aspx#2967656
 
REPORTED TO CAKEWALK BUGS
 
18 Mar 2014
 
Track color not saved in track template (CWBRN-24810) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Track-color-not-saved-in-track-template-m2898250.aspx#3009642
 
12 Mar 2014
 
Audio track adds new take lane each time file is dragged into it (CWBRN-24452) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com...ed-by-CW-m3003887.aspx
 
TV fails to scroll when moving(copying) clip with Shift(+Ctrl) held down (CWBRN-24469) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com...ed-by-CW-m3004430.aspx
 
10 Mar 2014
 
Track folders don't open/close right at first after switching screensets - (CWBRN-24456) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Track-folders-dont-openclose-right-at-first-after-switching-screensets-Confirmed-by-CW-m3003301.aspx
 
05 Mar 2014
 
Aim Assist causes significant additional CPU loading (CWBRN-24525)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Aim-Assist-causes-significant-additional-CPU-loading-m3000392.aspx
 
03 Mar 2014
 
Take Lanes: Clip can't be copy-pasted into a lane of different T number (CWBRN-24086)  - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Take-Lanes-Clip-cant-be-copypasted-into-a-lane-of-different-T-number-Confirmed-by-CW-m2994675.aspx
 
Zoom Tool Issue when T-lanes are expanded /prev. T-folder is collapsed (CWBRN-24120) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Zoom-Tool-Issue-when-Tlanes-are-expanded-prev-Tfolder-is-collapsed-Confirmed-by-CW-m2996337.aspx
 
 
02 Mar 2014
 
Track Folder's Archive button fully lights up ignoring unarchived tracks ( CWBRN-23756) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Track-Folders-Archive-button-fully-lights-up-ignoring-unarchived-tracks-Confirmed-by-CW-m2998330.aspx#2998418
 
01 Mar 2014
 
Take Lanes: Undoing clip overlapping leaves empty lanes (CWBRN-23897) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Take-Lanes-Undoing-clip-overlapping-leaves-empty-lanes-Confirmed-by-CW-m2997157.aspx
 
28 Feb 2014
 
Dragging a track into an empty track folder changes the order of folders (CWBRN-23697) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Dragging-a-track-into-an-empty-track-folder-changes-the-order-of-folders-Confirmed-by-CW-m2995673.aspx
 
25 Feb 2014
 
Issues when selecting events (CWBRN-24383)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/midi-tack-ViewEvent-List-bug-m2994569.aspx#2994732
 
04 Feb 2014
 
Console View & Inspector: MIDI track name text color issue (CWBRN-23758) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Console-View-Inspector-MIDI-track-name-text-color-issue-CWBRN23758-confirmed-by-CW-m2982818.aspx#2982993
 
Number of tracks to be deleted misreported (CWBRN-23898):
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Does-this-look-like-a-bug-drag-soft-synth-midi-delete-combo-m2977913.aspx
  
Clip name (partly) invisible hidden behind padlock icon (CWBRN-23592)  - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Clip-name-partly-invisible-hidden-behind-padlock-icon-CWBRN23592-confirmed-by-CW-m2978847.aspx#2982788
  
Pause doesn't pause, it does "Stop with Now Marker" (CWBRN-23593)  - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Pause-doesnt-pause-it-does-Stop-with-Now-Marker-CWBRN23593-confirmed-by-CW-m2978030.aspx
  
31 Jan 2014
 
Cannot automate in the synth rack (CWBRN-23719)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Soft-synth-automation-snapshot-bug-m2966112.aspx
 
27 Jan 2014
Ctrl+A inside PRV Drum Grid pane selects all tracks in TV (CWBRN-23413)  - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Ctrl-A-inside-PRV-Drum-Grid-pane-selects-all-tracks-in-TV-CWBRN23413-confirmed-by-CW-m2973775.aspx
 
Pro text out of alignment (CWBRN-22571):
http://forum.cakewalk.com/ProChannel-fx-chain-label-text-is-out-of-alignment-after-X3d-update-m2951887.aspx
 
20 Jan 2014
 
Misdetection of beating within clip (CWBRN-23503)- CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/X3D-Groove-Clip-looping-causes-clip-to-be-deleted-on-my-machine-RESOLVED-SORT-OF-m2967502.aspx#2967934
 
13 Jan 2014

"TVBoldStripNames" and "TVLargeStripNames" no longer work (CWBRN-20689) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/TVBoldStripNames-and-TVLargeStripNames-no-longer-work-CWBRN20689-confirmed-by-CW-m2968187.aspx 
 
12 Jan 2014
 
Take Lane's Inline PRV fails to "Fit MIDI Content" (CWBRN-22275) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Take-Lanes-Inline-PRV-fails-to-Fit-MIDI-Content-CWBRN22275-confirmed-by-CW-m2967822.aspx
 
11 Jan 2014
 
Locked screensets forget the size of track folders (CWBRN-22215) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Locked-screensets-forget-the-size-of-track-folders-CWBRN22215confirmed-by-CW-m2967239.aspx#2967570
 
09 Jan 2014
 
Event Inspector fails unless you change auto-displayed value (CWBRN-22480) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Event-Inspector-fails-unless-you-change-autodisplayed-value-CWBRN22480confirmed-by-CW-m2966102.aspx
 
08 Jan 2014
 
Sonar cannot open project files in some scenarios (CWBRN-23172) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Sonar-cannot-open-project-files-in-some-scenarios-m2953455.aspx
 
FX Chain LED does not light up (CWBRN-23168)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/PC-FX-Chain-led-not-lighted-m2963930.aspx
 
Locked screenset displays wrong synth after deleting synth (CWBRN-21833) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com...-m2965429.aspx#2965569
 
07 Jan 2014
 
Copying Region FX Clips does not work as expected (CWBRN-23145) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/X3D-and-Melodyne-as-a-RegionFX-dont-copy-edited-notes-bug-m2956548.aspx
 
Turning global snap on/off does not show PRV grid lines correctly (CWBRN-23133) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/CWBRN21044-Global-Snap-EnableDisable-Not-Workin-In-PRV-m2964133.aspx#2964133
 
PRV Track Pane Solo button grouping issue (CWBRN-18282) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/PRV-Track-Pane-Solo-button-grouping-issue-CWBRN18282-confirmed-by-CW-m2963934.aspx
  
MIDI Out crosstalk between tracks and VST's (CWBRN-23123):
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Still-some-issues-with-MIDI-crosstalk-but-now-there-is-an-easy-workaround-m2954622.aspx#2963626
 
06 Jan 2014
Drag and drop will not work under Admin (CWBRN-23118) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/X3-Drag-and-Drop-WAV-Files-Only-Through-Browser-m2964303.aspx
  
05 Jan 2014
 
Shift+D fails to restore MultiDock (CWBRN-22216) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Shift-D-fails-to-restore-MultiDock-CWBRN22216-confirmed-by-CW-m2963306.aspx
 
04 Jan 2014
  
Show Velocity on Selected Notes only" doesn't work properly (CWBRN-22587) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Show-Velocity-on-Selected-Notes-only-doesnt-work-properly-CWBRN22587confirmed-by-CW-m2962623.aspx
 
03 Jan 2014
 
You don't hear all the notes whilst looping with Input Quantize on (CWBRN-22238) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Loop-recording-Bug-Still-in-X3d-Since-Sonar-85-m2955605.aspx
 
When Windows resizes Sonars fonts controls go "haywire" Trivial (CWBRN-22986)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Sonar-X3d-and-my-Mouse-m2961743.aspx#2962365
 
Screensets don't remember the status of X-ray (CWBRN-22220)  - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Screensets-dont-remember-the-status-of-Xray-CWBRN22220-confirmed-by-CW-m2962126.aspx
 
'UNDO' keystroke crash:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/X3c-CRASHES-on-UNDO-keystroke-CTRLZ-CWBRN22982-m2962268.aspx (CWBRN-22982 and CWBRN-22984) - CWBRN-22982 CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
 
02 Jan 2014

Clip foreground/background color issue (CWBRN-20920) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Clip-foregroundbackground-color-issue-CWBRN20920-confirmed-by-CW-m2961354.aspx#2961477
 
Mouse Scrollwheel issue (CWBRN-22193)  - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/X3-ZOOM-Driving-Me-MAD-Can-We-Have-The-MELODYNE-method-m2947131.aspx#2947653
 
Track Inspector shows multi when only single soft synth track is displayed (CWBRN-22934)
http://forum.cakewalk.com...-mistake-m2961407.aspx
  
29th Dec 2013
 
Mouse Zoom does not work (CWBRN-22834)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Specific-Zoom-Drag-Issue-m2955368.aspx#2958795
 
28th Dec 2013
Mouse scrollwheel stops working (CWBRN-22811) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Mouse-wheel-zoom-stops-working-m2806436.aspx
  
26th Dec 2013
 
Comping does not mirror other takelanes when "group only clips in folder" is selected (CWBRN-22783) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Comping-bug-in-X3d-m2956137.aspx
 
Phantom Window Appears (CWBRN-22782) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Phantom-Window-Trivial-m2957261.aspx#2957261
 
Mono/Stereo Bugs (Direct X?) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Possible-MonoStereo-bug-for-test-Direct-X-only-m2956642.aspx
 
25th Dec 2013:
 
Delete Muted take lanes should be greyed out (CWBRN-22752)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Couple-of-trivial-take-lanes-bugs-m2956784.aspx#2956784
 
23 Dec 2013:
 
Meter settings do not persist (CWBRN-6617):
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Solved-Console-Mains-Meter-Scale-Stuck-m2954755.aspx
 
MIDI notes just don't land as expected when looping (CWBRN-22705) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Loop-recording-Bug-Still-in-X3d-Since-Sonar-85-m2955605.aspx
 
V-Vocal shortcut does not work (CWBRN-22703 - Confirmed as issue, probably to do with documentation)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Cwbrn21308-VVocal-shortcut-Not-working-m2955511.aspx#2955730
 
Automation does not adjust according to tempo change (CWBRN-19135):
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Draw-Tool-Doesnt-Snap-Correctly-in-Projects-With-Tempo-Changes-m2953532.aspx
 
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Issues with painting/redrawing the screen and mice (CWBRN-22663) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
(originally CWBRN-22598 got withdrawn but now we have better steps to repro)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/sonar-X3d-now-time-playhead-Lag-when-moving-the-mouse-cursor-on-playback-m2952126.aspx
http://forum.cakewalk.com/A-few-issues-regarding-X3d-m2952840.aspx
 
 
Undo functionality breaks (CWBRN-22662) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Undo-Still-Has-Wrong-Thing-Listed-X3d-m2953075.aspx
 
Step Sequencer (CWBRN-20128):
http://forum.cakewalk.com/X3d-Step-Seq-Am-I-the-only-one-seeing-thisstill-not-working-reliably-m2903727.aspx
 
USB MIDI Instruments get muddled when MIDI is switched off (CWBRN-22575 - NOTE CLOSED AS DUPE BUT CAKEWALK DIDN'T GIVE ME THE ISSUE NUMBER IT DUPES WITH).
http://forum.cakewalk.com/MIDI-pain-in-ass-m2764210.aspx #36


Mackie Controller issue (also going to be made opensource) (ISSUE ????)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Mackie-Control-protocol-broken-in-Sonar-X1X2X3-m2908006.aspx
 
Console Emulator (CWBRN-22581) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Console-Emulator-needles-issue-m2952417.aspx
 
Snap issue (CWBRN-15918) - - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
Open the Inline Piano Roll View and turn off Smart Grid and enable the "3" button in the Snap Module. The grid lines don't change (although note events snap correctly).
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Has-X3a-fixedimproved-these-m2900340.aspx
 
MIDI Clip lock position issue (CWBRN-17738) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
Right-click on a MIDI clip and select Clip Lock > Lock Position. Although it's the position that is locked (not the contents), you can't nudge the note events in the clip or run any CAL (both options are grayed out in the menu).
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Has-X3a-fixedimproved-these-m2900340.aspx
  
TESTED AND FIXED IN X3E
 
NOTE ALL OFFICIALLY DOCUMENTED FIXES ARE HERE.
 
Pro text out of alignment (CWBRN-22571):
http://forum.cakewalk.com/ProChannel-fx-chain-label-text-is-out-of-alignment-after-X3d-update-m2951887.aspx
 
Aim Assist causes significant additional CPU loading (CWBRN-24525)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Aim-Assist-causes-significant-additional-CPU-loading-m3000392.aspx
 
Meter settings do not persist (CWBRN-6617) -  (need to double check)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Solved-Console-Mains-Meter-Scale-Stuck-m2954755.aspx
 
MIDI notes just don't land as expected when looping (CWBRN-22705) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Loop-recording-Bug-Still-in-X3d-Since-Sonar-85-m2955605.aspx
 
Mono waveform in comp track where take lanes are all stereo??
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Mono-waveform-in-comp-track-where-take-lanes-are-all-stereo-m2967613.aspx#2967656
 
Mackie Controller issue (also going to be made opensource) - Effectively signed off as it is now open source. I don't see any issues logged about it either.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Mackie-Control-protocol-broken-in-Sonar-X1X2X3-m2908006.aspx
 
Copying Region FX Clips does not work as expected (CWBRN-23145) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK (need to double check)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/X3D-and-Melodyne-as-a-RegionFX-dont-copy-edited-notes-bug-m2956548.aspx
 
You don't hear all the notes whilst looping with Input Quantize on (CWBRN-22238) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Loop-recording-Bug-Still-in-X3d-Since-Sonar-85-m2955605.aspx 
 
Mouse scrollwheel stops working (CWBRN-22811) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Mouse-wheel-zoom-stops-working-m2806436.aspx
 
Turning global snap on/off does not show PRV grid lines correctly (CWBRN-23133) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/CWBRN21044-Global-Snap-EnableDisable-Not-Workin-In-PRV-m2964133.aspx#2964133
 
Comping does not mirror other takelanes when "group only clips in folder" is selected (CWBRN-22783) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Comping-bug-in-X3d-m2956137.aspx
 
Playlist bugs (CWBRN-20634) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Playlist-still-broken-m2923421.aspx#2952064
 
Screen does not refresh correctly when docking the browser (CWBRN-23036):
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Browser-Woes-Possible-Bug-m2962321.aspx
 
Issues with painting/redrawing the screen and mice (CWBRN-22663) - CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK
(originally CWBRN-22598 got withdrawn but now we have better steps to repro)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/sonar-X3d-now-time-playhead-Lag-when-moving-the-mouse-cursor-on-playback-m2952126.aspx
http://forum.cakewalk.com/A-few-issues-regarding-X3d-m2952840.aspx
 
Mono/Stereo Bugs (Direct X?) (CWBRN-22777)- CONFIRMED BY CAKEWALK - Fixed partially, new bug logged
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Possible-MonoStereo-bug-for-test-Direct-X-only-m2956642.aspx
 
SONAR X3d vertical zoom in PRV
http://forum.cakewalk.com/SONAR-X3d-vertical-zoom-in-PRV-m2967932.aspx
2013/12/18 18:48:58
Splat
So I'm surprised there has not been any takelane debate with X3D, I suspect it will come in due course. Apparently there is one issue fixed in X3D, and there's really had no discussion here with Cakewalk about this, unlike other issues, but then nobody has given much feedback with this an X3D either (yet).
http://forum.cakewalk.com/I-still-dont-like-Take-Lanes-m2940872.aspx
 
I hope somebody could do some in depth analysis on takelanes and X3D. They need to be "ripped apart" and made useful IMHO (however my opinion right now is fully rooted in X3C, so maybe I'm being too harsh).

All in all X3D is probably the best patch we've ever had, but we really need an X3E equally as good over the coming months in my opinion (not exactly unpredictable).
 
Hopefully not many more visible bugs will show up (but they probably will such is the nature).
In my view takelanes, the USB input device muddle, and step sequencer seem like the most serious of the issues, if the video issue is proven maybe that as well. I am keen to push my enhancement as well (above) as I think cake really needs this flexibility, but I stress I am biased (of course).
 
Thanks...
2013/12/18 19:11:40
Studious
I always hoped Cakewalk better organize their efforts to squash bugs.  But this is nice.  I assume you will edit the main post as needed? (rather than adding new posts)
 
We have needed a central list for a long time.  Other attempts to centralize bugs always turn into useless messes of off-topic rants and in-fighting.  I hope this one stays organized.  You are our only hope, Obi-CakeAlex.
2013/12/18 19:30:41
Splat
Ha!
 
> I always hoped Cakewalk better organize their efforts to squash bugs. 
I'm sure they do, we just don't see it (it's internal). X3D proves to me they tackled all the right issues in a particular timeframe they decided to allocate themselves. They've got the act together and soon it will be a tough act to follow. I say again I am in awe of the current Cake staff, brilliant PR, and brilliant put your mouth where the money is. Long may that attitude continue.

From my perspective, this won't go on forever I will get fed up eventually and my time is about the shrivel up :).
 
Cheers!
2013/12/18 20:04:09
Sanderxpander
To clarify, because I followed that thread and I think you're going by my comment(s), Ableton doesn't have any form of Waveform preview like Sonar. Ableton will let you record the output of a track on a new track, effectively meaning you can record the audio coming out of any VST, fx or instrument.
2013/12/18 20:11:45
Splat
Exactly Sander, I've also looked at the Maschine with Ableton vids and docs and stuff, and seen a few other use cases about. Certainly I see a lot of flexibility with Ableton in this particular area, not to dis Sonar, X3D is a different way of working. and personally my preferred way, and besides you can do this in an ordinary recording studio, with an AMS or SPX-90 and a Neve console/patchbay/tape machine :)
2013/12/18 20:17:27
Sanderxpander
Ableton's midi and audio routing is great, for sure. I don't usually like the interface for "regular" linear projects but it definitely has some features the major studio DAWs could learn from.
2013/12/18 21:13:46
icontakt
This thread is only about new bugs introduced in X3d, right?
Also, IMO I think the issues should be listed only after they were confirmed by the support (i.e. "Submitted to Development"), or by three or more users.
 
About Take Lanes issues, I'm checking them now, but we must know bugs and flawed designs are different, and only the former must be fixed before X4 comes out.
 
2013/12/18 21:25:51
Splat
> This thread is only about new bugs introduced in X3d, right?
 
Nope outstanding regardless ...
 
> Also, IMO I think the issues should be listed only after they were confirmed by the support (i.e. "Submitted to Development"), or by three or more users.
 
Have a look at the threads, little doubt I suggest. And mostly more than 2 confirming it. All confirmed bugs have been submitted to development (this doesn't make it confirmed however) .And where there is doubt I have put them under the headline "To Be Confirmed".... I shall make this more clear now by putting it in bold...
 
I say again this is unofficial compilation.... best you are gonna get.
2013/12/18 21:28:57
Splat
> About Take Lanes issues, I'm checking them now, but we must know bugs and flawed designs are different
 
Yes it's important to distinguish between bugs, and something that is seriously flawed in the UI or design. If something is seriously flawed in the UI that mucks up workflow for instance or is totally illogical it needs fixing. If it's a nice to have then it may not be.
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